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Surely thats not the $2 billion Investment. A mini mill couldn't cost that much to build especially in a depressed area. I'm thinking its more along the lines of Rolls Royce or perhaps Volkswagen.

The reason Wolstein group wants to build a stadium at all is because he owns a large parcel of land that is wetlands right there. Not much else you can build on it. Its probably going to cost a lot to fill in and stabilize where they put the foundation of the stadium. Its kind of nice of the public to help him finance and build this on his land. Hey might as well build the best stadium if the public will finance too. Personally I see this being defeated at the ballot by Summit County residences. The great majority of residences do not want an increase on sin taxes especially to help a big shot out of town developer.

There is the Stanford Hostel in the Valley in a town north of Peninsula called Boston. http://www.stanfordhostel.com/ It is a 7 minute drive to Miller Rd in Brecksville(by the VA). It would be bikeable with a road bike. There is a long hill to climb on Snowville to get up there though. I did it with a mountain bike a month ago and it wasn't fun. Might be worth it for $11/night... In Peninsula there is Century Cycles http://centurycycles.com/index.cfm Peninsula is a small cute canal town that feels like it plopped itself in from Vermont. I personally feel its the epicenter and primary geographic reference point of the Cuyahoga Valley. http://www.explorepeninsula.com/ As a side note, there are a couple of ski areas between Peninsula and Brecksville to give you an idea of other close attractions in the Cuyahoga Valley. www.bmbw.com

If they are going to knock the Breuer down, the Pelli design is definitely the way to go in its honeycombed reference in homage to the Breuer building. I can't see a cubed solarium treecourt/balcony working in a county building since its clearly wasted space. But other than that its quite a nice vision and statement.

Eh, its a billion dollars worth of development.. Stick it in the Flats. There's plenty of parking down there and besides those salesguys love strippers... :drunk:

This has been discussed for several years now about MM coming to Cleveland. What does a couple more months mean to get it on the ballot to vote. The issue is if they go through with whatever the commissioners decide in closed door meetings, the public can be kept in the dark. They can go ahead and also say well geez we had to act fast on the location because Forest City was going to turn that area into a large parking deck. PLJ likes the idea of it going to a vote and he also supports the concept of MM in Cleveland. There really needs to be a full study with what they now know about the MM and how much space they need and how much it will cost to build a new CC vs. renovating/modernizing/enlarging the current facility and tacking on the MM. Nobody has said they're against the MM. Its just the ambivalence that we all see the handwriting on the wall that backroom agreements will push for everything to fall into Forest City's lap. Whats the point of drawing up 5-10-20-50 year plans in Cleveland if the pols aren't going to stay with the vision?

Here's an aerial rendering of the new football stadium. According to the site there will be many announcements to come in early August about this. http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/zips/

It sounds to me that Forest City has been working MM people hard. I can easily see that FCE would tell them the best spot to build since they are one of the premier developers in the nation and this is their home turf. Since I doubt the Convention Center is going to be built using private money, that shouldn't be an over-riding factor of where the CC goes. However if MM people are saying they are willing to pay a good chunk of the CC say 50%, then put the thing anywhere they want. I feel there needs to be more discussions with all the parties involved to come up with a best site not a predetermined best site based on a developers wants unless they are picking up a majority of the costs.

^^^ I disagree that he doesn't have a chance at getting nominated. He is the only hispanic in the race and he will have to be taken seriously once he starts moving up in the polls. Personally, I'm looking at sending $$ his way so he does stay in the race.

I believe there was an auction for the tower. The purchaser is essentially Kriegers Market which has a nice vantage point of the tower. The whole intent with the purchase was to market it as a communications platform.

Thought I'd help Lebron put Akron on the map. Worked on calculating this evening all the various projects I know going on in the Akron area. I'm sure I'm missing several still. But the numbers come up to right around a billion dollars in known projects for 2007 and 2008 or so. This doesn't include any projects smaller than 3.5 million. This also doesn't include any major road/highway projects although some of the developments have some public money kicked in on a couple to extend an access road/utilities like for Gojo. These are real projects and most are in the process of being built. Only Goodyear and Akron stadium haven't been officially announced. millions Goodyear HQ Estimated 500 Gojo facility in Falls 23 Americhem HQ in Falls 3.5 Bass Pro Estimated 50 Lockheed airship program 10 Akron Art museum 42 Northside lofts 30 St V-M(Lebron high) expansion estimated around 20-50 Elizabeth Park 60 Lebron's House est 10-20 First Energy offices est 20-30 U of Akron football stadium 55 Akron Biogas plant 7 downtown building/deck 10-15 metro hub facility 15 summa and acute care 30 redevelopment of main st 15 Akron General in Stow 35 Stow muni courthouse 8 Walsh HS expansion 8 There should be an announcement soon on Akron Canton airport next 5 yr plan.

So now there's only 4 cities in Ohio with over 100k??

^^Thats a nice big idea KJP! Intermodal airports certainly seem to be pretty trendy since Columbus is working on one. The only link I can think of with water and air modes would be to use the aviation facilities for Customs for the ferry service to Canada. Thats probably not a big deal though. Irregardless, the Port Authority should be working on an intermodal port for trucking, rail, and lake whether or not Burke airport is practical or not to participate in the foreseeable future.

This is quite a convoluted mess. One group of people are talking about lake access another group of people are saying that the port will relocate to Burke. Well if thats where the Port locates to wouldn't that open up access to the lake where the port currently resides? The real issues here are needing to know how much land the port needs in 10-20 years plus anticipating what aviation travel will be like in 10-20 years. Could the port operate at multiple smaller sites? Personally I'd say move whatever operations can move to Burke from the Port Authority without the need to close down Burke. As more space is need add more land via the lake.

Thanks Mov2Ohio for getting this thread back on topic. I'm curious how this relates to the Bass Pro shop that Summit Co/Akron are trying to lure to the East side of Akron by the Goodyear HQ? People seem to be saying the same thing about that place that people will drive from 1000s of miles to go to a Bass Pro shop like its a Disneyworld. This sounds like its going to happen. Won't that affect where Cabelas would be located? Would Cabelas want to be 10 highway miles from a Bass Pro shop? Seems like Wolsteins running into all sorts of obstacles in Summit co. with his wacky soccer stadium. Too bad he can't just focus on the East Bank of the Flats instead of adding more sprawl to a sprawled out area.

CHOPPED- I didn't have the link for this.

Not sure how much new is in here as much as jockeying going on. We're all expecting some big announcement from Stark and now the 2 Flats groups have agreed to cooperate as a unified front. Now the Flats people can be taken more seriously on a more equal footing with Stark since they're project now also hits close to $1billion. Its good to have some competition and cooperation.

The cost of living is relatively low in Ohio especially to London. I usually figure on paying approximately 30% in taxes if I'm guesstimating takehome. I can't imagine getting a decent place close to the CC or UC under $500. Typical Americans spend almost or sometimes more on their automobiles as they do on their living space. If you determine you can get by without a vehicle for a period of time you will definitely be saving a lot of money. The employment market is pretty decent right now especially in technology or obviously healthcare. Many industries in Cleveland that seem to be doing well and hiring.

Sounds like a good plan to me to save money. I wouldn't want to be on a direct flight to Asia from Cleveland. Give me a stop in Seattle or Hawaii. Cleveland barely gets international flights now from Europe why try to pick up Asian ones with a longer runway. Better to improve runway safety for the majority of users than eliminating some inconvenience for .01% of fliers. Go Smith Go!

There's multiple issues with Ytown. There's been a ton of sprawl to the suburbs. The population of Trumbull and Mahoning aren't down as significantly as the city of Youngstown. At 35sq miles thats pretty big for a population not much more than 75k. Its basically the same thing that large families have to deal with too large of houses once the kids have left. Youngstown is an empty nester city. The city will never be that size again. If they can landbank and turn to green fields a big enough contiguous area in particular near the mills, they might be able to attract some manufacturers since there's probably some advantage to being there with its transportation links. I'd wonder if Canton can't do the same..

Awesome interview. Hopefully that will bring more fleshed out drawings of what the East Bank can be. Glad he isn't set on building to his original vision and he understands funky being good.

Excellent article from the PD. I for one especially love the idea of Cuy. cty changing their government to an executive-style like Summit cty. That would bring more oversight and likely more efficient and smooth governance with a County Council overseeing and approving legislation.

I recall about 8-10yrs ago or so a group of engineering students from Carnegie Mellon getting lots of federal money to study maglev technology and they were proposing to link up Pittsburgh and Cleveland I think via the airports. From browsing links it looks like CMU is still actively trying to pull something together but mainly around the burgh.

^I also have to concur. I was driving around Easter Sunday trying to somehow figure out if SLC could be a city I could seriously move to and live in. It was definitely a pleasant enough day. I noticed the whole trip more so than in the past that people weren't "midwest friendly." People seemed to be a little more Western standoffish. Any conversations I struck up were typically with other tourists/skiers mainly from Pa., Ohio, or Illinois. After eating out about 6-7 times in SLC this year, I'm starting to believe that Park City does have the better mix and quality of restaurants. I think it would take a 3-5 months to start to feel comfortable living there. I'd probably end up spending a lot of time up in Park City since its such a great ski town although def. a lil pricey. The liquor law hasn't changed. If you go into a bar you still need to buy their private membership before you can be served. Also the liquor stores do carry higher percentage beer but you have to pay upwards of double the amount for it. All in all the negatives of unchecked sprawl, gated communities, oddball laws, and dangerous highways seem to still outweigh the positives of moving to Utah.

What no Smuckers?!