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Oh jeez, there's always someone...

Yeah that's the meat of what I was referencing. We may mourn the loss of the the roaring third but imho the loss of the Cincy's West End neighborhood and all the rest of what was demoed to make for their highway system was much more egregious. While the I-90 interchange in Cleve took out some well developed commercial areas, the neighborhoods were overall quite impoverished and the housing stock reflected that. From the pictures I've seen, much of the neighborhoods that were removed were somewhat ramshackle wood houses while Cincy lost blocks of Italianate walk ups (thankfully they still have a huge volume of stuff that survived). Also, I doubt urban Cincy was all that more "functional" in the 70s and 80s. During that time, much of the urban area, including OTR was probably as dysfunctional as they come - we have people like Buddy Gray to thank for that. By no means was this unique to Cincy or Cleveland as most established American cities at this point were in some sort of free-fall and racked with nearly insurmountable social problems. All of this came almost immediately after the pre-war stability and growth Cincy and Cleveland shared, albeit peaking about 40 years apart. I always viewed the 2 cities as some kind of kindred spirits, with Cincy being the slightly older, more southern cousin who pronounces her o's kinda weird.

Maybe in the immediacy. But hasn't the portfolio of downtown entertainment, as a whole, gotten gradually safer over the past decades? Pressure to close shady operations may not eradicate all shady operations, but it does gradually make it harder/riskier for them to operate in areas where the pressure exists.

The Xecutive Ultra Lounge - back in action baby! This place needs to go...like yesterday. For those that don't remember, there was a rash of gun violence last year involving patrons from this place. Security guard shot in the head in Prospect Avenue shooting http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/04/security_guard_shot_in_the_hea.html#incart_river Security guard shot in the head overnight on Prospect Ave. in Cleveland http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/oh-cuyahoga/security-guard-shot-in-the-head-overnight-on-prospect-ave-in-cleveland

Wow! If those sell, we have arrived... They start at 270...much more affordable price point. There are multiple townhouses that have sold in the mid 350's in Tremont. Right right, I'm assuming the 270k is for the smaller units abutting the house and 479,900k for the larger units fronting the street. Agreed 270k is becoming somewhat routine for new con in Tremont but 480k is definitely at the upper upper end of the established market there - so high that it is testing the limits of the upper echelon. 270k is still high for an attached unit with "meh" views. Regardless, fingers crossed these sell for the list price.

You could replace "Cleveland" with "Cincinnati" here and it would be 100% as true. Not taking a shot or anything here - just sayin'.

Wow! If those sell, we have arrived...

Bummer, I was always a fan of Mr. Coyne. I thought he conducted the Planning Commission's meetings well and seemed to "get" urban development. Fingers crossed we get a solid successor. Anthony Coyne steps down from City Planning Commission after 25 years as member and 16 as chairman CLEVELAND, Ohio - Friday is the last day on which Anthony Coyne will tap the gavel as chairman of the city's planning commission. The 54-year-old real estate lawyer announced at the outset of Friday morning's commission meeting that he would retire after 25 years as a member and 16 years as chairman. Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson showed up to praise Coyne for his service. "He has overseen the development of the City of Cleveland," Jackson told a roomful of city officials who showed up to pay tribute. "What you see happening out here today did not just happen overnight," the mayor continued, referring to redevelopment projects under way in the city. "Mr. Coyne was a part of all of that." http://www.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2015/04/anthony_coyne_steps_down_from.html#incart_river

Exactly. Seems to me there was some microphallic tendencies manifesting. Yup, that's it. The cop has a small dick. Case closed. We really nailed it this time boys. Nothing more to see here. When can we meet up tackle the next issue troubling society?

It's just amazing to me how unable or unwilling you are to analyze the facts and law in this situation. It must just be too emotional for you I guess. There are literally pages upon pages of substantive debate on this incident and you've reduced it, as you have since the beginning, into "people hate the lady," "she's not a problem in society," and whatever straw man nonsense you've put out there. Wild.

Cleveland Clinic, Case Western Reserve University to launch health care-focused executive MBA degree Cleveland Clinic and Case Western Reserve University continue to deepen their relationship, having just announced the two will launch this fall a new health care-focused executive master of business administration degree. The Cleveland Clinic-Weatherhead Executive MBA’s curriculum aims to address the growing need for senior-level administrators, physicians and other health care professionals to be prepared for an evolving, complex industry, according to a news release. The degree program is also an option for senior managers in other fields looking for a career in health care. The 20-month academic program launches this September. Classroom sessions will take place at both Case’s Weatherhead School and the Cleveland Clinic campus. The Clinic and Case said the distinction of their joint degree from others stems from a combination of specialty courses in health care strategy and economics, as well as who is teaching those courses: Weatherhead’s faculty and leaders from the Clinic. http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20150408/FREE/150409870/cleveland-clinic-case-western-reserve-university-to-launch-health

Why didn't neighbors want a grocery store to repurpose the space? What was their stated reasoning?

Cleveland's Tudor Arms Hotel inducted into Historic Hotels of America (photos) CLEVELAND, Ohio - Cleveland's Tudor Arms Hotel, completed in 1933 and originally an exclusive men's club, was recently inducted into the Historic Hotels of America, an organization that celebrates the best of the past in the lodging world. The Tudor Arms - at Carnegie Avenue and E. 107th Street - has, over its 80-plus year lifespan, operated as the swanky Cleveland Club, a noted hotel and student housing for nearby Case Western Reserve University. More recently, it was home to the Cleveland Job Corps, an education and training center. In 2011, the 12-story Gothic revival structure, designed by Cleveland architect Frank Meade, reopened as a hotel, operated by DoubleTree by Hilton, with 157 rooms and two spectacular ballrooms, the Crystal Ballroom and the two-story Tudor Ballroom. http://www.cleveland.com/travel/index.ssf/2015/04/clevelands_tudor_arms_hotel_in.html#incart_gallery

Well we collectively don't want Adam Campbell downtown. Very disturbing. A true putz. Akron police officer charged in Playhouse Square beating was arrested for drunken driving in 2006 CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A 28-year-old rookie with the Akron police department charged in an early-morning assault outside a police fundraiser at a Playhouse Square hotel pleaded guilty to drunken driving in 2006, according to records. Patrolman Adam Campbell is on unpaid administrative leave and faces possible termination after Cleveland police obtained an arrest warrant Monday accusing the Uniontown man of beating 31-year-old Steven Crupp March 29 outside the Wyndham Cleveland hotel. Campbell, who joined the Akron police department on Nov. 3, was still on his probationary period, and could be fired as a result of the charge, Akron police spokesman Lt. Rick Edwards told Northeast Ohio Media Group. http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/04/akron_police_officer_charged_i_1.html#incart_river

Zack Reed really is an enigma to me.

Exactly. There is no video of the conclusion "incident" that we've seen. Obviously RTA knows better than we do about what actually happened, otherwise they wouldn't be so quick to throw him under the bus (pun intended). If this was a black woman, I could see their haste to go public to avoid Al Sharpton from descending on Cleveland. But it was not, so their quick response tells even more. Oh man, really? By now we should know, any corporation or public agency facing unwanted attention deploys the exact same standard public relations playbook regardless the reality of the situation: 1. Draft and release diplomatic apology, 2. Tell the public that the incident is under review and the parties will be disciplined, 3. Stay silent until further info comes out. Every group from Kraft to Delta Airlines to the Federal Government immediately apologizes and takes responsibility to diffuse the situation - regardless what really happened. This stuff is a science by this point. These organizations know that it is infinitely better to immediately minimize the situation than fight it head on and get turned into fodder for the media's next 10 cycles. Whether the cop did or didn't do anything wrong, RTA's response can hardly be viewed as anything but standard PR procedure. It's not evidence of anything. It's just hot air.

Why do you say that? This exact situation could have happened anywhere else, and I'm sure has. I think the reliance on exactly when the fare check happens is beginning to border on the absurd. Why is a check on the train not treating someone as a "potential thief" while checking someone as the exit is? What is different about someone getting caught without a pass on the train versus someone getting caught exiting without a pass? It seems the passenger has "consumed the service" if they are on the train. Will the cops make them walk back to their station of entrance to "return the product?" Of course not. The distinction is silly. Also, it's ridiculous claim that a pass check is treating someone as a "potential thief." It's verification that you paid for a service, nothing more and nothing less - no one is being treated as a "potential thief." I have been checked on and exiting transit systems in the US and in Europe, I've never seen anyone take the great offense being taken here. By the same logic, we must rip out the exit turnstiles at Tower City because it's treating riders as "potential thieves," right? As long as you are in a zone that requires a valid fare card, you must have one, the distinction is immaterial to the larger, annoying but lawful process. It would be great to have entrance turnstiles at each RTA station to avoid this but as has been said before, funding is the very real barrier. I've said before, not understanding that the pass check is a meant to verify your timestamp would really have to defy basic common sense. Even by Ms. Ferrato's account, she understood that a valid pass was necessary - a large part of her story relied on her claim that her pass was activated and valid. The only thing on the pass that shows that the pass is valid is the timestamp. Which is stamped in small font on a small piece of paper. If one understands this process, which Ms. Ferrato did, they must understand that the timestamp is the object being checked. She was not arrested for a smart aleck response, she was arrested for evading the officer who wanted to see her pass with a timestamp, repeatedly, which she cannot claim she was ignorant of given her understanding of the larger validation process. It's a good point that, moving forward, the police may want to use clearer language. But vagueness and misunderstanding cannot be claimed here in this particular situation.

Bohn Tower on 13th and Payne is a CMHA property.

What exists in that gray area once the person proves to be non-compliant? Maybe if the officer presents a pair of handcuffs and asks nicely the person will slip them on and escort themselves to the back of the police car, right?

^ Well said. Complaince with lawful orders should not be left to the ordered's discretion. The entire concept of police disintegrates if so. The relevant inquiry is if the officer had the legitimate authority and directive to order the pass check. He did and she didn't follow the order, repeatedly. Whether you think the officer is better stationed at the top of the stairs or at the bottom, his orders were totally legitimate here. The two choices at that point were arrest or back off. I don't think backing off is a viable way to enforce rules. Otherwise, the rules are voluntary.

^ I would think this would be a little more artsy fartsy and feature such films while Tower City would handle the blockbusters.

Playhouse Square is interested in getting a large movie theater complex built, with an residential/office/ and or retail component, likely on the site of the current Greyhound Station and its surrounding parking lots. From Reddit:

Interesting. I totally disagree that the non-confrontation option is a practical way to enforce a mandatory payment system. That said, the insight into the opposing ideology is worthwhile. Even if I disagree, thank you for the discussion.

That assumes a car is involved. What happens if she didn't have a car and was going home on foot? He reached for the card and she snatched it away. From the people that this really bothers. I'll just ask one simple question. If a person is walking away from being asked to present their fare card after being told clearly to do so, what should happen next? (this assumes there is no car involved)

It's "worth" it to enforce the broader POP system, which is annoying and confrontational but perfectly legitimate. The "chase" and arrest was the worst outcome for everyone involved. The woman didn't want to be arrested, the officer didn't want to do the arrest, and RTA certainly doesn't want the bad publicity. But if said legitimate system is to be enforced, this means that simply walking away from an officer asking to see your pass is not acceptable. What do you propose should happen after someone repeatedly ignores orders to show their pass and keeps walking? Let it go? That would effectively make payment voluntary at any station other than TC. Like I've said, I ride RTA often. I've been through plenty of pass checks. Honestly, your characterization is hilarious. Presenting your fare card (yes, even if kept in a zippered pocket!) is not going to make you late to whatever you are doing. Did you see the video? The people that complied had to stop walking for no more than 3 seconds. The "inconvenience," if such a thing can even be characterized as such, is outweighed by the benefits of the checks. Don't forget that this is the Red Line, which has multiple cars in which the driver is only in 1. The red line is by far the easiest line to skip fairs because you can simply get in any car that the driver is not on and avoid paying - making the POP system even more worthwhile here. No one is asking anything unreasonable. Pay your fare and hand over your pass (from your zippered pocket) when asked - which is very rare anyways.