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If it were to spur, I think it should first continue east to the new little italy station, and then reverse and head back towards the cedar station and up towards Cleveland Heights.

How steep are Edgehill and Mayfield?

I don't think i've heard of this happening before. From their Facebook page. "Our scaffolding was stolen last night from our property. This is really sad. This week they also stole our garbage cans." https://www.facebook.com/HansaImportHouse North Collinwood Cleveland police investigating suspected homicide on East Side CLEVELAND, Ohio -- An unidentified man in his late teens or early 20s was found dead this morning in the 15300 block of Lake Shore Boulevard. He had been shot in the chest. http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/01/cleveland_police_investigating_17.html

Democratic Party, not voters, could select replacement for County Councilman Julian Rogers CLEVELAND, Ohio -- About 100 Democratic committee members rather than primary voters should select someone to serve the final two years of outgoing Cuyahoga County Councilman Julian Rogers' term, according to a legal opinion from county Prosecutor Timothy J. McGinty. On Friday, McGinty concluded that state elections law calls for no primary to pick a replacement unless Rogers resigns before this Sunday -- which Rogers said he won't do. “Naturally, there is no election scheduled for a councilman who was just elected to a four-year term," McGinty said in an email. 'If that councilman waits until after the 115 days before the primary to quit (Jan. 12, 2014), then that councilman has prevented a primary election from being scheduled.” McGinty's opinion contradicts a Dec. 17 opinion from County Executive Ed FitzGerald's law department (see document below), which determined the primary election would still happen if Rogers were to resign on Jan. 31. http://www.cleveland.com/cuyahoga-county/index.ssf/2014/01/primary_election_to_replace_county_councilman_julian_rogers_likely_off.html

^ Interesting, although I do not understand why a new transit study includes the Bus Loop which should be closed and converted to park space once the rapid station construction is completed. I like the idea though. I think a staircase connecting Edgehill to Overlook would be a great idea to improve pedestrian connections. I wish that was added. I still think a cedar streetcar is greatly needed! ;)

Is Kevin Conwell a good councilman? I have never really heard anything about him. Its good he's not getting into trouble like other pathetic councilmen, but I also never hear of him doing anything good.

From a previous article... "Cuyahoga County government and general contractor Turner Construction Co. had hoped to build the hotel atop what is called a mat foundation, which would have provided sufficient depth below grade for two levels of parking on top of a steel-reinforced concrete pad several yards deep. But the complex geology of downtown Cleveland is forcing the county to use a deep foundation technique that drives supports 200 feet below ground. Project adviser Jeffrey Appelbaum told Cuyahoga County Council on Dec. 3 that the more complicated foundation will add $5 million to $7 million to its cost, but will not extend the completion date of the hotel beyond its June 2016 target or increase the projected cost of construction. He said the total cost of the hotel won't rise because the original budget anticipated the possibility of the more expensive foundation. " http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20131215/SUB1/312159977# So it only costs an additional $5 million to $7 million to build using the deep foundation technique instead of using a mat foundation? That doesn't seem like that much money when you put it into perspective of overall building costs. The excuse that we have bad land for skyscrapers doesn't seem like a valid argument for the reason we don't have taller buildings. Its most likely purely demand/economics.

What difference does it matter how much he is paid? Do you have any idea what his or any council members' day-to-day schedule is like? You can criticize him and others for their judgment, ethics or whatever, but you cannot criticize any of them for the amount of work they do. Spend some time with a council member and then tell me what you think. Maybe volunteer to answer the phone for a council member for a day. I suspect you will answer more calls for them in a day than you get at home in a year. Joe Cimperman seems like a hard worker who generally cares. Im not sure if that can be said about all of them though.

He was tweeted on the 18th and responded with "on it"

From what I see on twitter and facebook it appears that way. From Dec 18th "We were told that the permit would arrive on Monday (16h), only to find out when it didn't that there was a bottle neck at City Hall. " And "Ironically, we've had our health permit and liquor license - both of which are contingent upon passing a building inspection – for weeks. We just can't get The City to give us the physical Certificate of Occupancy. Heartbreaking."

Half the "street wall" in this view still stand. Only those in the foreground are gone.... http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab323/DM4-/Historic%20Pictures/1911southsideofSuperiorAvenuejustbelowEast9thstreetlookingwest_zpsfdde727b.jpg Sadly ALL of the buildings on Superior in these pictures are gone. West Superior is what really got screwed! http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab323/DM4-/Historic%20Pictures/1915southsideofSuperiorAvenuelookingeastfromWest6thStreet_zpsfc0b48c9.jpg http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab323/DM4-/Historic%20Pictures/1890SuperiorAvenuenorthsidetakenfromWest6thStreet_zps5688969e.jpg http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab323/DM4-/Historic%20Pictures/1882LookingeastalongSuperiorAvenuefromWest9thStreet_zpsea8d1259.jpg

Seems inline with the rest of downtown apartments per square foot. Except you get a much more outdated space.

This sounds like the best option. The ridership will never justify the cost at this time. Maybe down the line if things change they can consider building a new station. This money could be used for better projects. And besides, most traffic is towards downtown, and the green/blue line station is not much further. This does show the problem with the ADA compliant 2016 deadline. Im all for new stations having to be ADA compliant, but making the change of older stations is a terrible idea IMO. Its not worth the cost in low ridership stations. This makes expansion harder, maintenance more expensive, and will result in the closure of stations. All for a few people tops. It doesn't hurt anyone to keep it open the way it is.

They still haven't been able to open. I think I saw they they were originally hoping for November 2013. City Hall is looking really bad.

I did not cherry-pick, Those were the top results for my search. But those pictures still show some great structures that could be saved as well as the density I was talking about. Cleveland has bombed out areas too, except the houses are far less dense and not worth saving. Besides, the point was not to show underutilized housing, just what a typical occupied street looks like. I was focusing on density. You know we'd all kill for even those buildings. We would be screaming about how they haven't been renovated yet and how they are the best in the city! To Baltimore, its just another block.

In 1950 Cleveland had about the same density as Baltimore and DC. It has the bones to be a dense city again. Unfortunately its density was the greatest on the east side, which is a shell of its former self. I don't want to get too far off topic, but looking at density on a citywide level is not always the best method as it is greatly affected by hills, parks, undeveloped land, bodies of water, industrial areas, etc. Its better to look at the urban core and neighborhoods to get a better picture of the density of the city. The best method is to actually visit, in which the differences become quite clear. Baltimore residential streets Washington DC residential streets Cleveland residential streets (hard to find pictures, and this is actually of East Cleveland, which looks like most of Cleveland's houses anyways.) Lakewood

They make bi-articulated up to 100ft. The healthline's platforms would never be able to handle that though.

I appreciate your comments. But as much as I agree Cleveland's on a roll, I tend to think Baltimore's ahead of us. I've heard there have been some crime issues, fears re the Inner Harbor in recent years, but the last time I was there last summer, it still seemed pretty safe and packed with people. I think the newer East Harbor area, near Little Italy, is a blueprint, but beyond, what we even have planned for our Flats area. East Harbor has a 30-foot Marriott (?) hotel, numerous office towers, a multi-screen movie theatre, exclusive shops, restaurants, a 24-hour CVS and a Fresh Fields (?) grocery store. Flats East Bank’s Phase 3 doesn’t even have all that… And Fells Point is a mega entertainment area which is close by downtown. Ohio City may be Cleveland's closest comparison (and even that's not a good one). Both areas have their quaintness, but Fells Point is 300-years-old, densely populated and more visited than Ohio City. Cleveland has pluses over Baltimore in a number of areas and while, yes, the Warehouse District is considered downtown, I still think the aforementioned advantages both downtown and near downtown give B'more an edge... at this point. Very true. Cleveland really doesn't compare to East Coast cities. Its counterparts are great lake cities, Detroit, Chicago, Buffalo, Milwaukee, and Toronto, although we are still unique and much different than all of those cities as well. East coast cities are far denser have have dense residential/mixed use neighborhoods with architecture and density we couldn't dream of. More history too.

Josh McDaniels no longer candidate New England Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels has withdrawn from consideration for the Cleveland Browns' head coaching job, a league source told ESPN. A person who knows McDaniels told ESPN the coach had an "awesome" meeting with the Browns but that it is not the right time for him to make a move. McDaniels enjoys his job working with Patriots quarterback Tom Brady and coach Bill Belichick too much to leave New England at this time, according to the source. http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/10263363/josh-mcdaniels-new-england-patriots-offensive-coordinator-withdraws-name-cleveland-browns-coaching-consideration

So Joe C. would probably estimate $1 billion for RTA ;)

Besides the playhouse square pictures, sadly most of the buildings pictured have been demolished. We threw away an amazing past like it was nothing. I used to think the 20's and 30's were good times architecturally, but after looking at these pictures it was the start of mega buildings with multiple frontages which destroyed countless smaller brick buildings that were much more architecturally unique and had better street frontage than the classical designed buildings of the 20's and 30's.

1877 Euclid Avenue just east of Public Square 1901 Euclid Avenue 1905 East 9th and Prospect 1910 Colonial Arcade 1910 East 9th 1910 Schofield Building 1910 Euclid Avenue looking west towards East 9th 1910 Euclid Avenue 1912 East 4th Street 1912 Euclid Avenue east of East 9th 1912 Clarence Building 612 Euclid Avenue 1912 Euclid Arcade 1912 Euclid Avenue and Public Square 1912 Euclid Avenue south side 1912 Euclid Avenue 1914 Euclid Avenue 1915 Fire at Euclid and East 4th 1918 Euclid Avenue 1920 Euclid and Huron 1920 Euclid and East 9th 1920 Euclid Avenue 1920 Euclid Avenue 1920 East 6th Street 1920 Southeast corner of Public Square 1922 Southeast corner of Public Square 1922 Euclid and East 9th 1922 Euclid Avenue 1922 Playhouse Square (No Keith Building) 1922 Playhouse Square 1922 Playhouse Square 1923 Playhouse Square 1925 Euclid Avenue 1927 Playhouse Square 1929 East 4th 1929 Euclid and East 9th 1929 Euclid Avenue 1935 Euclid Avenue 1940 Playhouse Square 1943 Playhouse Square 1947 Bond Department Store No date, East 9th and Euclid Avenue No date, East 9th and Euclid Avenue

Don't we all! Just to be able to walk through the city for one day would be amazing. I have more pictures of public square I could post. Ill look for the best ones. Ill probably post them elsewhere so that this thread can remain Superior focused.

Here are some actual photos of the building.

Crazy! Is that due to a water leak?