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DEPACincy[/member] The 1-year estimates are wildly inconsistent if you trend them from year to year for the past 6 or so years. The 5 year estimates show a steady rise in bachelor degrees in that age cohort for Cleveland. Not as large a number as Columbus likely, but growth no doubt.

I think workplace flows from county to county is a good indicator of regional connectivity and reliance. From the most recent 2009-2013 County-to-County workplace flow here are some key data points: Montgomery county (Dayton) to Hamilton County (Cincy) 2,780 workers Hamilton County to Montgomery County 1,469 workers Summit County (Akron) to Cuyahoga County (Cleveland) 36,200 workers Cuyahoga County to Summit County 16,505 workers As you can clearly see from the above data based on simple commuting patterns Cleveland and Akron are interconnected and should be considered in the same MSA. In fact, Summit would be the third highest county for workers to commute to Cuyahoga County behind Lake and Lorain. https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/commuting/commuting-flows.html

If you access http://ohiolmi.com/asp/CES/CES.htm The seasonal adjusted numbers are much closer to the not seasonally adjusted numbers. I once emailed them why it was so different from the bls and if I remember correctly they attributed it to rounding but it didn’t really make sense. The Ohio labor market site also prepares reports in conjunction with the BLS so its confusing why their seasonal data is so different from that of the BLS.

I work at Metro, but trained at the Houston Med Center. If I were a patient I would much rather have parks to observe and exist in than block after block of hospitals surrounded by concrete. Patients enduring health difficulties aren’t so much concerned about how urban their hospital is but rather feeling comfortable during a challenging situation. The Houston Med Center was very sober and unappealing. I think green space affords patients some peace. I’m all for urban density in residential and commercial areas but don’t feel hospitals should be responsible for providing it.

The last time Ohio grew numerically that large from year to year was 1996. That happens to be the last year that the Cleveland Metro area achieved a statistically significant increase in its population. Fingers crossed.

I have nearly given up on looking at the BLS and their adjusted numbers. They end up revising them anyhow months later to reflect the quarterly county employment numbers which are far more accurate. The ACE report from Crains is a solid resource and they published promising January employment numbers after a poor job performance for the area in 2016. http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20170224/NEWS/170229873/ace-report-service-sector-keys-northeast-ohio-job-growth

I put zero stock in a report (see below for part of the report) that lists Cleveland as 150th out of 150 cities for median income when adjusted for cost of living...even behind New York. Their methodology is severely flawed. Cleveland is plugging along creating jobs, the sky is not falling. Lowest Median Annual Income (When adjusted for cost of living) 146. Detroit, MI 147. New York, NY 148. Newark, NJ 150. Cleveland, OH 150. Hialeah, FL

I was hoping for a larger turnout at the Indians game because of all the parade revelers downtown. However, everyone was exhausted (and many annoyed) after being downtown for at minimum 10 hours by the time the rally ended. Also, I would venture to guess some people would not even considering going downtown after hearing of all the traffic congestion. We only went to the Indians game (also spent by the day's eve) because the trains were so backed up. We left in the sixth inning which I normally would never do to my Indians simply because we were drained.

Dirt was being moved at the site today. It looks as though this is finally a go.

I think the worst part of this newest census estimate is the optics. It reinforces the "decline" of the rustbelt rather than highlighting many great things going on. Yes, greater job gains would help, but jobs are coming. I think a problem with whats going on now is a result of stagnate job growth in the 2000s when Cleveland was bleeding many more people than it is now. I think we are on the precipice of turning the tide and seeing consistent gains by the end of the decade so long as we are averaging reasonable job gains like we have been. Population growth, or lack thereof, is a main component to a growing economy. You need only look to Europe to see that Germany is doing very well as a country economically even though the population itself is declining. Additionally, Clevelanders, Pittsburghers, Buffalonians?, tend to look for outside approval and I think this increase in outmigration reinforces some negative feelings about our own city. As a former Pittsburgher, who has lived in the south, and moved to Cleveland, I can say that this area is the best for me. Lastly, the international migration number is a huge positive and continues to show Cleveland's global draw in comparison to neighboring cities. Lastly, Cleveland has the best drinking water imho, Houston's is the worst and they continue to have stellar population growth so its not that. Also, Houston is on a swamp and has little to none aesthetic qualities that attract people other than JOBs.

I would even take it a step further by saying that recent reports do point to substantial growth in the educated population of the Cleveland metro area as a whole, but this report includes 18 counties of Northeast Ohio. Inevitably, including additional metro areas Canton and Youngstown will bring down the educational attainment rate of the Cleveland metro, which again is quickly improving, but is by no means stellar.

I am not sure what goes into revising numbers or even up to what point some of these numbers would be considered in the "margin of error" range, but I would like to point out that for the metro of Cleveland last year it was published that the metro had a loss of 14 people. This year the number is stated to be 1700 down with a revised gain of 800 for last year. It will be interesting if the 1700 is revised in next year's census. Irrespective, this is all indicative of stagnation and unfortunately a poor natural increase rate stemming from the demographic malaise of the 70s and 80s. In comparison, Cincy and Columbus start from a much higher point due to their higher rates of natural increase. More robust job growth is needed.

As someone who grew up in Pittsburgh, lived in Cleveland for two years, and now Houston for grad school I can say without a doubt Houston is the worst city. A plethora of amenities that are inaccessible because of traffic that is only getting worse. I live in the inner loop which is within a few miles of all major employment and entertainment nodes. One cannot drive to the store between 3-7 pm or risk being stuck in traffic for at least an hour just to drive a few miles each way. Most transplant Houstonians I talk to complain about the city and the people from here are oblivious to how bad of a city it is. I can't wait to move back to Cleveland in May. Also, the weather is nothing to be proud of, summer is oppressive and miserable while the winter is rainy and cool.

Thanks, I have been reading the forum religiously for two years now and thought I would contribute. I must have missed the thread posting, but had been waiting for one of the regular posters to post it since the weekend. Too bad the office towers referenced probably aren't for the public square parcel.

Didn't see this posted yet, but thought this excerpt was interesting: "Frantz Ward went through an exhaustive search for new space and reviewed its options with Key Tower before switching trophy towers on Public Square, Keim said. It even saw proposals for two new office buildings and space in a retrofitted building before settling on 200 Public Square, although Keim declined to discuss the plans in any detail." Referencing the "two new buildings".....hopefully exciting news soon. Btw this is a recent Crains Cleveland article discussing Frantz Ward move from Key Tower.