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Dayton has a really strong bicycling community and culture. Probably a part of Huffy and Wright Bros. legacy

At the latest open house at the Woodward DOTE said the cycle track option was unfeasible because of safety concerns. (Didn’t go into much detail)

Yeah, the dilemma is low bridge vs. high bridge. If it’s a high bridge, needs to be a connector down to US 50 on the Ohio side. If it’s a low bridge, needs to be a connector up the hill on the KY side where there would also be a 300 ft elevation difference. Not sure what the pros and cons of each are, especially cost. A high bridge might serve the West Side better because it wouldn’t rely on the winding downhill portion of Anderson Ferry Rd. to connect to the rest of the road network. But then it might be slightly more cumbersome for someone trying to get downtown from the airport or someone using the bridge as an alternate to the Brent Spence. Mt St Joseph might object to the idea, but it could also be tremendously valuable to them almost magically relocating their isolated campus to an exit off of I-275.

There is about a 330 ft elevation difference between US50 and the top of the hill on the Ohio side. I’d do a high bridge from 212 in KY directly to Neeb Road at College of Mt St Joseph. Then I’d build a new mile long connector heading east down towards US50 that would intersect near Fenimore Street. That would still be pretty steep grade, 330/5280=6.25%. Bender Rd would serve as the US50 connector from the west.

That would guarantee people showing up at the wrong place for concerts into perpetuity

Source?

Our friends used to live in that building. We tried helping them get a couch up the stairs but it wouldn’t fit. It was a huge bulky couch though. They were installing an elevator at that point in time so some upgrades were being made. It was a super cool apartment and building

It looks like Navy Yard is doing a lot better job when it comes to human scale streets on a grid. One traffic lane in each direction, bike lanes, parking, and streetscaped sidewalks. The various Uptown renderings I’ve seen don’t seem to have new coherent streets but seem to be more driveways to parking facilities. The Navy Yard example did seem to have a lot of “parking crater” type parking lots though, so the Uptown corridor has a chance to be better in that respect. What is to differentiate this “Innovation Corridor” from the new Summit Park office park in Blue Ash? It could be integrated with great public transportation acces, there’s been talk of that but nothing in reality yet- at least no public discussion with SORTA. Likewise bike infrastructure to UC and surrounding institutions and neighborhoods has been left out. Maybe the office tenants will have some special relationship with the university I suppose. They should have pushed back on the design of the NIOSH campus if at all possible. If the large setback regulations are for security concerns, the concerns are probably way overblown- this facility is not really different from any other generic office building. Maybe being a little overly critical here, because they are throwing around the “Walkable” buzzword a lot...

I can see the tweets and facebook comments now: “Cincinnati is finally getting a HARD ROCK CAFE and city clowncil wants to narrow Liberty Street to make it harder to get there? rofl” ”Should have put it in West Chester”

I want this to succeed, but reading this stuff I kind of get an emperor is wearing no clothes feeling? “We’re going to innovate here. The innovation corridor and innovation district will spawn many innovations. The people will live-work-play and innovate.” Willy Wonka at least had a chocolate factory to inspire him

Don’t mean to be a pessimist, but that sounds like they’re blocking it to me.

Didn’t state government have a come-to-Jesus moment about new roads and the need to focus on maintenance for existing roads in the lead-up to this gas tax hike? Did I dream that or is that out the window already?

Drama behind the scenes?

The correct number is 32. 12 in new building + 20 in existing buildings= 32. And 3cdc is involved so perhaps this is in the wrong thread.

Without the businesses along Court sustainably booming to drive activity early in the morning to late at night this much open pedestrian space is as much a liability as asset. This block of Court is not naturally a crossroads with lots of built-in pedestrians and it is so wide it would take a lot of pedestrians to feel activated. Agree with this. I think it may be better to take a hands off approach, let the Kroger store open and see if there is re-ignited demand for the storefronts along Court.

Hot take: 3cdc is the most likely medium-to-large sized developer to listen to neighborhood concerns and also to have and use the resources to act on them.

@jjakucykno I think you misunderstand- 83 5 lane votes of which 72 were from people from Liberty adjacent neighborhoods 8 were emails and 3 were from people from other neighborhoods. ( I know because I was the Westwood vote!) they wanted a record of everyone’s address because they might end up weighing the votes differently ( with residents counting more I would think.)

Ugh. Terrible for pedestrian connectivity and will reduce pedestrian activity in that corner of the square.

Las Vegas tried to poach our PrimeAir hub (or at least proposed some kind of scheme to avoid pilot income taxes:) https://www.brookings.edu/research/five-economic-development-takeaways-from-the-amazon-hq2-bids/?utm_content=bufferd3224&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

This may be true but I guarantee the administration would come up with a grossly inflated cost for it anyway to either avoid doing it or to embarrass streetcar supporters on council

I think Kroger will outperform Amazon in grocery. With HQ2 and Bezos/National Enquirer News it seems like Amazon is in danger of “jumping the shark” and losing focus- plus if they had some kind of winning grocery formula they could have applied it to Whole Foods already. But what you mention is a real problem for Kroger- Amazon can move the stock market (not only their own share price, but Kroger’s) by pushing narratives to the media (an ability held by tech companies,) while Kroger can’t.

This website gives daily traffic counts but some of the data is old. http://traffic.oki.org/

For a good overview of how everything works together I’d read Walkable City by Jeff Speck To understand transit read Human Transit by Jarrett Walker For technical details about street design, bike lanes, bus lanes, etc check out the NACTO design guides Street Fight by Janette Sadik Khan tells the story of implementing some of these concepts (mostly in NYC but also generally)

The Cincinnati hotels would be empty if the main convention center was right across the bridge? I’m skeptical...

Agree- Cincinnati needs to work with Covington & NKY in the convention game now that the opportunity of the IRS site has presented itself. Let Covington convention center expand and build the state of the art facility. Work together and coordinate on bookings on both sides of the river. (An aside- It was not a “mistake” on Cincinnati’s part that the airport is located in NKY. What is a mistake is relying on the Brent Spence Bridge as the sole means of accessing it. Need to add new bridge + transit options)