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It's unfortunate they weren't able to open a little earlier to establish themselves more before the new Corryville Kroger opened. Longer term they could be helped by encouraging more density in the business district. In Clifton specifically maybe those 3 stand alone bank buildings with drive thrus could be developed to a higher and denser use. EMC is another new great little grocery store in OTR that I hope will find its customers base. We cannot have NIMBYS trying to block new residential construction in the neighborhood if these businesses are going to have the customers they need to survive. If we want to have new neighborhood amenities and the jobs they provide we need to accept the growth that makes them sustainable.

Nope, Nuh uh, no way, no how, on "Low TR.". Just call it Court Street.

Green Street is still in process as a precursor to Liberty Street improvements. They are going door to door with postcards get buy in as part of their process.

Hundreds of parking spots on top of thousands of parking spots. Hasn't anybody ever thought about doing things a different way? https://cincinnatiideas.com/the-banks-phase-3/

Just a reminder- elections for the the next OTR Community Council Board of Trustees is tonight 6/26/2017 6 pm at the OTR Rec Center. Trustees are elected to two year terms. Must be a resident member of the OTRCC in order to vote. http://otrcommunitycouncil.org/otrcc-board-of-trustees-election-is-happening-at-the-june-meeting-6262017/

They should try to build both Skyhouse and those Senhauser towers: https://cincinnatiideas.com/2017/06/13/rethinking-eastern-downtown/

I think it will be a condo development similar to what is proposed on 8th and Main area. I used to walk there and always envisioned a boutique movie theatre there, but I really cant set that happening anymore at that site. Some combination of housing/garage/ and destination level retail would be a great fit there, maybe a furniture store or something That would be one place to try a residential building without the parking, across the street from this 500 space proposed garage. Interestingly the latest design for 8th and Main is a ~120 unit apartment building with no parking. So yeah, build one of those to the south of this proposed Kroger development.

New Blog Post: Rethinking Eastern Downtown https://cincinnatiideas.com/2017/06/13/rethinking-eastern-downtown/

Thanks Matt. I think it looks good. the most important thing is the grocery store entrance is facing the SW corner (Court and Walnut) where foot traffic can help revive the adjacent storefronts. I like the trees on the setback on the Court St. side that cover up the garage. I'm a little surprised that it goes all the way over to the little building at Central Parkway and Main with a one story loading dock, but if that's what they need, that's what they need. I'd like to see a rendering from that angle. It may be nice to get a little more hieght on that corner someday- perhaps they could add on more stories to the 1 story really neat historic building there. EDIT: just saw Chas's comment above & agree with his suggestion

^that garage was $10 million bucks if I recall correctly EDIT: it will be $37 million for three city blocks, so I don't know what portion the completed work represents. http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2015/12/03/banks-seeks-37m-taxpayers/76721276/

This is true, but if a stadium is built there, there might be some big time opposition to narrowing the street! (Moreso than today)

^^^No way. That's razing 11 historic buildings (more than a "handful")(among other buildings) and obliterating the street grid. Also Travis I disagree with your assessment of the future of that area- the garages and such are much less likely to stand the test of time than the historic buildings. People will want to infill around those again someday.

That would be interesting. Why not build a new school on the land reserved for future phases of City West that was used as a streetcar construction staging area? Because the existing school is an asset that may last for decades more... That would be some conspicuous waste that would be hard to stomach for many. That would be a bad move politically.

The original plans called for a large dinner theater: http://www.newportriverfront.com/proposal_page8.asp Might be time to update that plan a little.

I must take issue with this. The goal in Over the Rhine is to increase integration in what was a pocket of concentrated poverty. The neighborhood was in such a state of advanced decay (parts of it still are) that it's possible for thousands of middle class people from move here while at the same time seeking to minimize displacement. I haven't met a single neighbor in Over the Rhine who would seek to block increasing the amount of affordable housing available in the neighborhood. That really can't be said about almost any other place. The issue is finding the money to pay for it.

I think it is extremely foolhardy to draw conclusions about who is and who is not using the pool based off of the first few minutes that it's open. This is really gets on my nerves when any neighborhood improvement is construed as "gentrification." It's like people would prefer to bring down the quality of life for an entire neighborhood to guard against gentrification, instead of lifting it up for everyone. There are people out there who still hate the renovation of Washington Park when its obviously a huge success provinding a safe place for many many neighborhood African American kids to play every single day.

^^Re: Citi, (just speculating & have no inside knowledge,) perhaps they will take a look at the old Toyota engineering and manufacturing campus. Could stay in KY that way.

jwulsin[/member] that's an excellent summary and you should share it with the team & other involved parties. It seems to me that MLS's marketing mission is to recreate the tradition and fan following of European leagues here in the USA. Wouldn't a historic stadium like Nippert only help in that regard? (It's historic but it still has all the modern bells and whistles like luxury boxes that UC just built)

You're right about there only being 450ft. There's a big difference measuring street to street in Google map view which is what I did initially and measuring sidewalk to sidewalk in Google satellite view. Would be extremely tight. Would be cool if the tall one poked through the stands and there was a rooftop deck on it you could watch the game from. Or just have a cutaway in the seats forming a plaza in front of the buildings. That may work if the field was a few feet lower than street level. Re: Daugherty, he recently said he's never coming downtown again because of a parking ticket he got on a Sunday, so we can see the grumpy suburbanite mindset there. (Incidentally I had wlw on this morning to hear traffic and McConnell made like 3 unsolicited anti city comments in 15 seconds talking about business news.)

MAPFRE stadium is 500x600 feet. The big empty lot at EC & John that was used as streetcar contruction staging area is just under that. They could do it, if they built up instead of out. (Nippert is 460x500)

Another thing to consider is the news is suggesting the Taft HS football stadium site for some reason, but I think it would fit straight up with no modifications to the street grid in the large open lot on the SW corner of Ezzard Charles and John St. I wonder how educated a guess these news reports are.

I think we're arguing just to argue now since it has not been proposed anywhere but demolition of any of the City West public housing is a complete non starter. This housing is relatively new and creates some great urban streets unlike some of the stuff built in a previous era. There's other public housing not far from there that is truly ancient so the idea of tearing down the newer stuff even it were replaced one for one is truly unpalatable. In any case we need every last unit of public housing we have right now because there's absolutely no money to build more of it and it's preventing a large number of people from becoming homeless.

I think part of this is due to how it goofily and unnecessarily changes from a two way street into a one way and then back into a two way in the span of a few blocks. If it didn't do that, it would be a navigable, direct route from West End/OTR all the way to Covington.

^ I think in that scenario people would be outraged that the only way to get new affordable housing built is in a one for one swap because the richest man in town wanted to build a stadium. And they would be right. That's a functioning neighborhood that doesn't need to be disrupted, and given the history of Kenyon Barr I think it's appropriate to be skeptical of big sweeping plans. Until we know more details it's all hypothetical anyway, especially the scenario you describe which is probably not what they're thinking anyway. But in general, I'm not convinced a major league stadium in that location would be automatically good for the neighborhood- it's a cliche, but the devil would be in the details for this one (which we haven't seen yet.)

I have huge problems with this. It breaks up the street grid further in an area that used to have a way more intact street grid. It wrecks down 3 historic buildings that are quite nice. Also hate to bring up parking but I think the garages in the area should be geared towards businesses and residents as opposed to a huge game day type structure. I think at a minimum this design would have to be really creative incorporating those historic buildings into the stadium for me to even consider liking it.