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Is that small donut shop or whatever it is "contributing"? https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9858744,-83.0050157,3a,75y,169.86h,85.2t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqYjOY1LGMf6HNNU5pAPx0w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 That used to be a very suburbanized, car-centric spot. Its current incarnation is much safer for pedestrians. The section of High which "Goody Boy" is located isn't as "tower" happy as the rest of the Short North outside of the Jackson. You have Skully's across the street, Standard and the new Food Hall as prime examples. The rest of the buildings are max 2-4 stories and as was previously mentioned "contributing" structures. What I would like to see happen is the city adding a 2-4 story parking deck on the flat lot next to Skully's. It is going to be needed for the future and would be a wise investment imo. This stems from the data provided at the parking summit which the parking director stated we are one of the cheapest cities in the nation to park. It could easily be fronted with retail and blend seamlessly into the neighborhood. A parking garage right on High is not going to happen, not unless the ground floor was retail space, and I suspect there would also be a push to build it so that apartments or other floors could be added on top at some point. But a standalone parking garage on High is very unlikely, as it would represent a dead zone, something the neighborhood standards frown upon. This section of High is also going to rapidly change over the next 5 years, I imagine. The Yoga on High building already has redevelopment plans, and the church across the street had a multi-story proposal not long ago (not the church itself, but immediately around it). There is still a lot of underutilized space between 3rd and 7th, including surface lots and single-story buildings. Some of them may be contributing, but I think we'll see proposals that might incorporate the facades, but otherwise new buildings will go into these spots as well. It would be a smart investment, that flat lot is what's contributing to the parking issues and it's not going to get better. You could offer hourly parking options in a garage and currently that is not the plan for the parking plan. Also they could build it with future plans for conversion along with retail frontage. We have no "public" garages outside of the Hub in Short North and IMO it would alleviate a ton of the congestion. Week days it could be used by construction workers and in the evening by patrons. I agree more parking is needed, but don't discount the Joseph Garage, the garage that is currently being built on Lincoln Street behind Jeni's and I think the big garage that so many people forget about it the 800 space Goodale Street Garage by the convention center right by the cap. However, people parking at that garage would have to walk a block to get to the south starting point of the Short North, god forbid the steps........I've lived in the Short North for 8 years, and in that time I've never had a dedicated parking space. I've lived directly on High Street, and 2-3 block off in both Victorian Village and Italian Village, and have I always been able to park directly in front of my apartment(s), no, I have definitely had to walk a few blocks from time to time, but I've never not been able to actually find a space. I think sometimes peoples perception of being able to access parking right where they want to is distorted. You live in an extremely evolving dense neighborhood, you need to be willing to walk a bit.....just my opinion and experience though.....

As a resident of the neighborhood, I follow the Short North Civic Association FB page. These were quoted there...

Kaufman Development has submitted an updated proposal for the IBEW site which is in the residential portion of the neighborhood between Price and 2nd near but not on High St. The proposal appears to provide adequate parking and preserves a good portion of the original IBEW buildings. However, the massing and height are substantial and will dramatically impact the residential portion of the neighborhood including several single family homes that abut the development. The tallest part of the project will be 180 ft (14 stories) making it by far the tallest structure in the Short North. For comparison: 711 N. High (under construction) = 144.8 feet Bollinger Tower = 142.04 feet The Jackson = 110 feet White Castle = 103.6 feet Hubbard Park Place = 84 feet The Victorian Village Commission will consider this proposal at their meeting on Thursday April 12th, 6 pm at the new Michael Coleman Government Center, 111 N Front St.

Looking at this map, I got to thinking that with Market Tower going up near by, and assuming momentum continues in the future based on projections, the surface parking lot at Vine Street where Front St and Park St merge would be a potentially good site for another condo/apartment tower. (Across the street from Brothers and next to Arena Crossing Apts) I could only imagine how all that would look from 670. Just a thought though.

I'm not sure where to put this, but I was sitting at my office, which overlooks this area, which isn't necessarily "Short North", but it's also not quite Arena District. Technically being south of 670 it is "Downtown" but I sorta just consider this area the Convention District? Anyways, I got to thinking about the projects that are all about to break ground in the next 4-6 months, and the amount of construction/congestion that is about to happen within a 2-3 block area. It's quite impressive IMO but some decent headaches for my commute temporarily haha An updated map I pieced together...... Side note, Google Maps is quite outdated, the new parking garage and convention center expansion etc has not been updated in this pic....

Interior for context....

Good news! Confused though. Does the marquee not light up like in the last photo right now? They're just getting new lights installed? Also, 23 is a US Route, not state. And it veers from High St at Livingston and is Fourth/Third up to Hudson. And then Indianola from Hudson to Morse. Then back to High. So this section of High shouldn't be subject to state approvals. So the neon sign was restored at the very beginning, the marquee to be able to display/list their shows and events is what is being restored now. It will go below the green neon sign you see now. As for the US Route, based on my conversation with them, they said they still had to go to the state for it. Mainly to agree not to do "flashy advertisements" and "video" type displays on the LED board that will be part of it. Again, just going off of what they said to me.......excited to see this happen though!! They are nervous about the Phase 3 of the High Street streetscape reconstruction taking away patrons during their next season, however I feel true theater enthusiasts will still attend. They gave a preview of the season to come and it looks to be a pretty good one!! Mama Mia, Rocky Horror, Pippin, etc...... Awesome! I see now what they're doing. I went to a show there a few years ago in September and it was incredibly hot in there. You could also hear a nearby chopper in the sky. Have little things like that been remedied since? Glad we have the theater in good hands. So it is definitely a work in progress. Each year more and more improvements happen. I will say that when they bought it, it was being considered for demolition as water was actually coming through the ceiling. This is why the main theater is so exposed and raw right now. I actually like the raw look though, something organic and revealing about it. Their first remedy was to get the roof in shape ASAP to stop any further damage, but with this there isn't really much of a "buffer" in the way of a ceiling which is why you may hear a chopper from time to time. They have put in AC however I'm not sure how strong it is, I'm sure they are trying to put this on the "to do" list. It's definitely a labor of love in my opinion as these guys are incredible theater enthusiasts and this is genuinely a great asset for this arts district IMO, but progress for how expensive things like this can be is a slower pace.....

Good news! Confused though. Does the marquee not light up like in the last photo right now? They're just getting new lights installed? Also, 23 is a US Route, not state. And it veers from High St at Livingston and is Fourth/Third up to Hudson. And then Indianola from Hudson to Morse. Then back to High. So this section of High shouldn't be subject to state approvals. So the neon sign was restored at the very beginning, the marquee to be able to display/list their shows and events is what is being restored now. It will go below the green neon sign you see now. As for the US Route, based on my conversation with them, they said they still had to go to the state for it. Mainly to agree not to do "flashy advertisements" and "video" type displays on the LED board that will be part of it. Again, just going off of what they said to me.......excited to see this happen though!! They are nervous about the Phase 3 of the High Street streetscape reconstruction taking away patrons during their next season, however I feel true theater enthusiasts will still attend. They gave a preview of the season to come and it looks to be a pretty good one!! Mama Mia, Rocky Horror, Pippin, etc......

I was in attendance the other evening of a dress rehearsal for Hair! at the Garden Theater in the Short North put on by Short North Stage. My friends bought this theater years ago and have been slowly with much effort transforming it bit by bit. I've always enjoyed going to their shows as an alternative to the larger scale of CAPA (I love CAPA and am a season ticket holder, not insulting them here). Anyways, I was speaking with them on the updates and things to come, and I was informed that they have raised enough funding to bring back the marquee for the front of the building. They are in the final process of having it approved by the Victorian Village Commission of course as they will modernize it with LED lighting. This also needs to be approved by the state as High Street is technically a state route (SR23). Anyways, the momentum heading up to the north end of the Short North is happening and it will be exciting to see this section of the district fill out and flourish in the coming years!! Here's a few pics for context.....

Haha, I feel your pain, but down here in Columbus. I walk through the Short North to get to my office and its a zigzagged mess the entire way, and changing literally every other day. I will say though, the finished product is well worth it. I'll take growing pains in any city, so long as its progress haha

How long do people normally rent a car? isn't it for a few days or maybe a week or two? I'm seeing the same cars parked outside of apartment buildings in my neighborhood for several months now. And do that many people rent cars so that half the cars parked on Murray Hill Road are from out of state? Or at Ohio City apartments near where YABO713[/member] lives? And is bringing large amounts of out-of-state rental cars a new thing? If so, why? If the out-of-state plates was the only strange new thing going that indicates significant numbers of new relocations, then I would agree that something car-related is going on -- and only car related. But there are multiple non-car-related indicators involved and referenced in my article. And I didn't even include the comments in this forum about out-of-state newcomers are forumers' gyms, fitness centers, etc. For the most part I follow the forums relatively quietly and I've always been interested in the excitement over license plates that seem to be the buzz on here lately. It wasn't till I read this on UO that I started looking myself here in Columbus. I live in the Short North, Italian Village area of Columbus and work downtown. In my parking garage at work, I started taking notice and I would argue I see 15-20 cars a day from New York, and easily similar counts for NJ, PA, VA etc from primarily the Eastern states, and that just my one lone parking garage alone. Driving around the neighborhood going home or to the grocery or whatever I also see plenty of plates from East Coast states. That being said, I've never really taken this as a sign that these folks are relocating to Columbus or Ohio but maybe I'm being naïve?

Perhaps, but this also just got announced: https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2018/03/14/germain-adding-two-luxury-brands-at-easton.html "The 32,000-square-foot dealership will be built alongside Germain’s other holdings on the Morse Road end of Easton Town Center." "The dealership, which is targeted for a December opening, is projected to employ about 20."

who knew there were such grand churches in such small towns? I looked up the population of Burkettsville: it's 244. Obviously it must have been bigger a hundred years ago, but I would imagine not by that much. Some of the others are barely 2K. Even back then these churches must have been costly to build. I don't know how they did it. I grew up in the area (Celina) and can tell you the area was and still is an extremely religious region, specifically devout German Catholic heritage. The part about this many churches in such a rural area I find amazing is that they are all still active and running. Some have had to "cluster" together and share priests as there is a shortage however each is beautiful in their own way. As for the population, as small as these towns still are, they've always been relatively small, I don't know if Burkettsville has been all that much bigger overall. If you ever a looking for a nice getaway out of the city, check out this region, outside of the churches, there are breweries popping up, many restaurants and parks near Grand Lake (yes they are continuing work on the water quality and actually making good strides with the treatment trains etc....) and plenty of cute towns to check out with boutiques and landmarks......I live in Columbus now but I always enjoy getting away back home and out of the city.....

Although in a much more rural area of western Ohio, I've always found the stock of Catholic churches that were built in this scenic byway known as the Land of the Cross-Tipped Churches to be very impressive. The Relic Shrine of Maria Stein is the 2nd largest collection of relics in the entire US even! Just the Wikipedia link, but check it out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_the_Cross-Tipped_Churches

Not necessarily "Short North" but a friend of mine posted this recent picture of the Columbus skyline, and I like how you can see the more modern new city building, the Coleman building mixed in near police headquarters. Also, further in the distance, you can see the influence of the larger projects in the Short North poking up and adding density. It will be very interesting to see this view in a few years with Market Tower at 400 feet, which is roughly the height of Nationwide Plaza 3 and then a 300 foot Hilton 2.0.

I still say kick in another 150ish rooms and flip the 23 to a 32 floor count and building something in the 370-400 foot range. And please do something sorta modern/glass/angles and push the mold a bit haha........ If they built the new garage on the other side tall enough they could almost incorporate a skywalk connecting to the hotel over the little pass through of the convention center. Hilton 1.0 would have access to vine street garage and Hilton 2.0 would have direct access to the planned garage.....

I agree, it is a beautiful church for being built in a more modern time era. I wish the dome was more dramatic though. I've always wanted to airlift a church or two from rural western Ohio (attached: Immaculate Conception Church in Celina, OH) to Columbus. So many churches in the Land of the Cross Tipped Churches would rival any church in the city architecturally......but again, Greek Orthodox Cathedral is beautiful!!! :)

I agree that the "engaging" aspect of the street on the east side of High is lacking however I will play devils advocate and ponder this..........Although there is not street retail on this one side, the other side is filling in and becoming quite the "go to" for convention goers. This area is not necessarily aimed at the locals here, but the visitors here for meetings, so although it seems lopsided to have one side of High Street bustling and the other side a big convention "wall/façade" I feel there is reason behind this that needs to be respected. Although from the street/store front perspective it seems lacking, most of this space encompasses meeting rooms, which our convention center boasts quite a bit of and is ideal for "break out sessions" when events are planning to come here. Exhibit halls are important, but having a lot of meeting rooms is also a huge component and we've expanded and provided this to potential events choosing our center above others. From a street perspective this seems dull, but inside those walls, this is a huge piece of getting conventions and meetings to come here, which ultimately means more visitors, and more money being spent when they leave the convention center and wander around this awesome area. Again, not really arguing, just trying to provide a different perspective to respect why this stretch of High Street is the way it is. You don't have to go far to have a double sided store front experience either haha :)

I read some time back that the "goal" was to break ground in Fall of 2018, however I'm sure with permits and other things that take time it will be slightly delayed, but you never know, perhaps it will be on time. There are folks mad that the asphalt grave yard will be desecrated with a tower though.....so proper removal may take time too

Don't count out the 400 foot Market Tower literally about a football field away. But I agree, the design needs tweaked, but I'm sure this is a super early preliminary drawing of what will come. People always complain about the design of the GCCC without knowing the context or reason it looks like it does. This is literally where Union Station and all the rail lines came into our city, and although funky and we tore down our history, at least we are paying homage to what it represents. With more vertical structures coming around this convoluted roofline of the convention center, I wonder if it would be cool to add some lines of "neon" or some modern lighting along the curvy lines representing the old rail roads to make the roof "pop" from above. With all the roof top restaurants and bars going in around this, it would be sort of a neat feature. Just a funky thought haha

Nothing specific, I just wanted to post North Bank Tower, Parks Edge 1 & 2 from a different vantage point at my office. Hard to believe what this area looked like as a prison not all that long ago in context to the evolution of a neighborhood/district...

It's pretty raining and the windows are reflective from my office, but you can see the area the expansion will go. I agree based on footprint size, and the amount of rooms proposed, it will definitely be taller than the current Hilton, but to what extent we will see. Rather than just go to 1000 rooms, why not push it to 1,200, the demand is already there and is only going to grow....just my two cents though (updated for a less raining/clearer pic) Also I still don't know how to downsize the picture size so I apologize, anyone who can edit/modify be my guest haha

For context the Hilton Canopy tower crane is 233' tall for the building which will be 157' tall. The Hyatt is 256' tall already, so they may just be moving something to the roof. Also, it just says "crane", not "tower crane". Could definitely be a precursor to Hyatt expansion. According to The Dispatch article posted in the Convention Center thread, I'm going to have to assume this is for the new Hilton expansion which I'm thinking will be similar in height to the Hyatt. As proposed it will be across the street on a smaller footprint. I would hope with a smaller footprint and 464 rooms they might be able to push 15-20 stories, but who knows. In the Dispatch article, the aerial photo includes the surface lot behind North Market, which will likely have that 400' Market Tower being constructed at the same time. Exciting momentum continues.....

There have been roughly 3 proposals to expand either the Hilton or Hyatt hotels that connect to the GCCC to allow for a hotel to have a solid 1000+ rooms however none have officially been publically announced. Perhaps this is indication that the Hyatt is getting the nod? I was at an event recently with the CEO of Experience Columbus and it felt like the direction was leaning more towards the Hilton expanding, but to be honest, I don't think it would be a bad thing for both at some point to expand.

Well, all of that + Summit and 4th Streets infill. Interesting, so what neighborhood is Summit and 4th Street area called? Depending on where you are on the stretch, it could be Campus, Weinland Park and Italian Village. As you go more South on Summit it turns into 3rd street as you cross over into downtown.