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Some updates on this redevelopment of the Exile Bar site at 901 N. Fourth Street, now called "The Christopher". Here is a redesigned Fourth Street side rendering from http://www.columbusunderground.com/the-christopher-italian-village: This redesigned Fourth Street facade keeps the existing Exile Bar building on Fourth Street: Exile is empty and a crew was here today briefly as well, a lot of action on 4th!

With work beginning on 711 N High, when does work begin on this?

A small crew was on-site taking core samples today and Complete General was messing around with the light at the corner; maybe a streetscape reno is on the way as well.

https://www.711nhigh.com/

So there is a pretty significant below grade foundation being poured directly across the street from the Manchester and Nationwide. Will this be another Nationwide occupied building? I don't see any mention of it anywhere.

I'm all for density but just like the tower at North Market, it looks ridiculous and out of place. If it were on High Street I would have zero issue with it, hell if this were to be built in the aforementioned North Market development area I would have zero problem with it. Price is hands down the most narrow street in the Short North and it's ridiculous to build something like this on that street.

So what you're suggesting is that they are waiting for more cars to fill their parking garage before they start building? If so, then that's one of the worst development plans in history, so I doubt that's the plan. It's the Schottensteins, all talk no action approach. Then when there is action you end up with cheaply built product like their relative Kauffman builds.

Btw, excavator is on site at the former south campus taco bell.

Are you surprised!? He is after all a Clintonville resident.

This is my last response to you because you are constantly belittling me about not understanding what walkability is when I've clearly demonstrated that I do. This tower is unnecessary in my opinion and it is in yours, you probably live in Clintonville or Worthington any way so why in the world do you care? I live in the area/neighborhood so I care a great deal about convenience for myself and visitors to our city. There is no need for this in that area or the short north for that matter. DC is dense and there are height restrictions there. The sprawl will not extend out 500 miles because if you look at how much land is available within 270 it will take at minimum 2 decades to infill that, I would know because I did a project on it while in school at tOSU. Learn how to agree to disagree. So you're worried about how this tower may adversely affect traffic and parking availability? So no, you are actually demonstrating the very opposite of what a dense, walkable neighborhood is. Parking is difficult in truly vibrant neighborhoods because there is less physical space used for parking. Instead, it is used for residential units, offices, retail, entertainment, restaurants, parks, etc. It is NOT used for another 10-story parking garage. Have you seen Front Street? There are an abundance of parking spaces, but it's completely dead. Even with the addition of a few residential projects down by Main Street, the majority of that stretch will continue to be dead regardless of the hour. Yet you're arguing that what the AD needs is more parking rather than people and things to do. And you think that is an example of your understanding of walkability? Come on. And DC is not Columbus. There is no danger in the next 50 years of Columbus reaching anywhere close to DC or SF or NYC or Chicago average density, even if that entire time, there were 30+ story towers going up. Downtown is one of the least dense neighborhoods in the entire city. Most of the suburbs have tracts that are 2-5x more dense. That's pathetic. There is plenty of room to grow, and plenty of ways to make it a true destination. Sorry that parking is your primary concern, but that's not what makes a city, sorry. That is where you lack any reading comprehension. I never once said I was concerned about parking and I want that lot gone and have stated it several times. My primary concern was congestion because of the size of the streets and roads in the area. As a matter of fact I wouldn't expect this project to even have parking involved. However when it involves residential it has to have parking because you cannot put that many people in one area in a city of our size and not expect someone to have a car. And you're calling me crazy, what suburb of Columbus is 5x as dense as downtown!?

This is my last response to you because you are constantly belittling me about not understanding what walkability is when I've clearly demonstrated that I do. This tower is unnecessary in my opinion and it is in yours, you probably live in Clintonville or Worthington any way so why in the world do you care? I live in the area/neighborhood so I care a great deal about convenience for myself and visitors to our city. There is no need for this in that area or the short north for that matter. DC is dense and there are height restrictions there. The sprawl will not extend out 500 miles because if you look at how much land is available within 270 it will take at minimum 2 decades to infill that, I would know because I did a project on it while in school at tOSU. Learn how to agree to disagree.

Well if you ask jbcmh, a two story none dense hell. I agree with GCrites, this tower is not going to "add" to the walkability of this area. Hell I walk it right now; to and from Jackets games, concerts, Clippers games to the occasional adult beverage at R Bar or Three Legged Mare.

I know and understand that it is not "dense" per se, but it is compact and does not need 1,000 permanent residents. I think the city is playing this wrong and should focus on this being an entertainment district is basically all that I've said. I live and love living in walkable neighborhoods, currently that is IV for me. I've lived in the suburbs for only one year of my 10 in Columbus. I again view the area in which the North Market is located as an entertainment district period. I think once the Park Street Complex is redeveloped into hotel and office space it will spur development of the flat lots behind it into hopefully more residential then that will create your dream of an actual walkable neighborhood in that area. This particular space however should not be the one to do that. You can't just throw sh*t at a wall and expect it to stick, this tower is proverbial sh*t and won't get built in my opinion. Just like the tower on the convention center did not get built.

I'm willing to bet good money that this does not get built. Schiff is too new in the game to get funding for something like that, hell most if not all developers in Columbus would be hard pressed to get that kind of money.

Really disagree with those who say this is the wrong site for a tower. Why? It's Downtown, and so long as it takes the market into account and is mixed-use, there is no reason it won't work. Most of this area is currently low-mid rise, but that won't always be the case. A project of this scale would likely spur additional development in the immediate area. It's not just about the current state, but the future as well. I'm tired of Columbus playing it safe with low-mid rise projects and bland design, exactly what I think Pizzuti's proposal is. They've done some decent projects in the past, but I hate their proposal. It's very underwhelming considering how much grander some of the other proposals were. Kaufman's is certainly outside the box, but just too small and would be the least impactful. Without knowing anything about NRI's proposal, it's hard to say. Their "historic" description is a tease, because they're not well known for significant projects of late. They built a 5-story brick on High Street not that long ago, and their other recent project at Parks Edge should've been much larger given the prime location. In some ways, I think they play it the most conservative of all, so I remain skeptical that their proposal will be "historic" in any capacity, but I'm open to surprise. Also, keep in mind that all the proposals are just that. Between now and actually breaking ground, all of them are likely to go through design changes, perhaps significant ones. We don't know what the neighborhood/historic commissions are going to say about it. The relative lack of parking with the Wood proposal is not really a problem (from an urban development standpoint), but even if so, it is not impossible for them to add a larger garage. I mean, if they're willing to go 30+ stories, they can add 100 more spaces. A thousand times this! I mean, this site is just one block off High Street, for goodness sakes! If not here, then you might as well say that there is NO good place to put a tower in this city. I don't remember hearing anyone arguing against the Millenium tower proposal on Front, again, just a block off High Street. Both projects are exactly what Columbus needs right now, tall towers which hopefully will spur further development near their respective locations, and architecturally new for Columbus. Good on Wood/Schiff for this proposal, and lets hope this is just the start of many such exciting proposals for the downtown. Riversouth is better suited for a tower, this area is already densely occupied and you really could've created something special without a tower here with residential. It's an already gridlocked area that will be an absolute nightmare during a big convention or a large event at Nationwide. It should've been entertainment and focused towards food, retail and the market itself instead of residential. Could you imagine a large space for vendors during say the recent NHL All-Star Game or the Arnold? You could've put another hotel on the lot and accomplished all of that without adding a ton of residents to the mix. I'm sorry, your argument is that the city might get too dense? My gosh, don't ever go to NYC or Chicago, your head might explode! In all seriousness, I've lived downtown for 16 years now, and I would hardly call traffic by the North Market or in the Short North gridlocked, not by any stretch of the imagination. And increased density is actually a good thing, by any measure. Will there be days where it's kinda crazy down there? Sure, and I bet every single vendor in the market, and every single business in the area, will be absolutely thrilled every single time. I have zero problem with density where it is appropriate. The Schottenstein's flat lot paradise on 3rd and 4th for example need these proposals more than this location does is all I am saying. That lot needs filled in but it should be an entertainment destination, not a place to live for that many people. Plus I'm probably going to win this in the end because there is zero chance that Wood/Schiff have the money to see this through. Something like Kaufman's proposal should've been selected. I love Chicago btw and don't particularly care for NYC.

Really disagree with those who say this is the wrong site for a tower. Why? It's Downtown, and so long as it takes the market into account and is mixed-use, there is no reason it won't work. Most of this area is currently low-mid rise, but that won't always be the case. A project of this scale would likely spur additional development in the immediate area. It's not just about the current state, but the future as well. I'm tired of Columbus playing it safe with low-mid rise projects and bland design, exactly what I think Pizzuti's proposal is. They've done some decent projects in the past, but I hate their proposal. It's very underwhelming considering how much grander some of the other proposals were. Kaufman's is certainly outside the box, but just too small and would be the least impactful. Without knowing anything about NRI's proposal, it's hard to say. Their "historic" description is a tease, because they're not well known for significant projects of late. They built a 5-story brick on High Street not that long ago, and their other recent project at Parks Edge should've been much larger given the prime location. In some ways, I think they play it the most conservative of all, so I remain skeptical that their proposal will be "historic" in any capacity, but I'm open to surprise. Also, keep in mind that all the proposals are just that. Between now and actually breaking ground, all of them are likely to go through design changes, perhaps significant ones. We don't know what the neighborhood/historic commissions are going to say about it. The relative lack of parking with the Wood proposal is not really a problem (from an urban development standpoint), but even if so, it is not impossible for them to add a larger garage. I mean, if they're willing to go 30+ stories, they can add 100 more spaces. A thousand times this! I mean, this site is just one block off High Street, for goodness sakes! If not here, then you might as well say that there is NO good place to put a tower in this city. I don't remember hearing anyone arguing against the Millenium tower proposal on Front, again, just a block off High Street. Both projects are exactly what Columbus needs right now, tall towers which hopefully will spur further development near their respective locations, and architecturally new for Columbus. Good on Wood/Schiff for this proposal, and lets hope this is just the start of many such exciting proposals for the downtown. Riversouth is better suited for a tower, this area is already densely occupied and you really could've created something special without a tower here with residential. It's an already gridlocked area that will be an absolute nightmare during a big convention or a large event at Nationwide. It should've been entertainment and focused towards food, retail and the market itself instead of residential. Could you imagine a large space for vendors during say the recent NHL All-Star Game or the Arnold? You could've put another hotel on the lot and accomplished all of that without adding a ton of residents to the mix.

I was thinking the exact same; not what I was expecting or wanted. These proposals are ridiculous and will kill the character of the North Market.

Thank God they are doing this; I was in that building for work several times and a company of their size should've been ashamed to call that their HQ. It is a very diverse property with a ton of potential so it will be interesting to see what someone does with it. It is suited best for commercial but that 1960's addition in the front needs to come down for sure.

It's actually currently under construction.

Is that SoDoSoPa?

I wouldn't go that far. Southwest Ohio is indifferent on the Cavs; I'm presuming NW Ohio is for the Pistons, historically. Columbus and eastern Ohio are certainly Cavs markets. What they're not indifferent on is the popularity of Lebron James, several Buckeye fans in SW Ohio are probably(and from my experience are) Cavs fans because of the Lebron factor.

Currently, baseball is NOT more popular than basketball, however, the prestige of the MLB playoffs and World Series will always run further than the NBA finals/playoffs. Mostly because its so hard to make the MLB playoffs and its a historic event. 16 teams make the NBA playoffs and it seems to run for months. The younger generations prefer the NBA and the image of the NBA is actually very high right now. Baseball is trying to appeal to its younger generations and is struggling with that currently. I believe the NBA finals game 7 had 32 million viewers, thats 1/3 of a typical super bowl audience. Pretty remarkable. I dont believe the World Series will get that high, but maybe because of the cubs it will In addition to that, the Cavs (especially with LeBron), have a much larger geographical fan base. There are no NBA teams in Cincy, Pittsburgh and Buffalo. While those City's may not be loyal to the Cavs, the inbetween areas (Columbus, Erie, Youngstown, etc.) don't have the same split allegiances we see in NFL and/or MLB. When had season tickets for the Cavs, the seats next to me were routinely occupied by folks from WVa, western NY, central Ohio, etc. I can attest to this personally. I've always been an Indians fan, even growing up in WV. The Pirates were terrible growing up and really the only time we went to those games was when the Braves were in town. Pittsburgh being very close meant I was/am a Steelers and Penguins fan as well. However Pittsburgh did/does not have an NBA team which ultimately lead to me being a Cavs fan. I remember the days of Brevin Knight, Shawn Kemp, Derek Anderson, Andre Miller, Bobby Sura and most importantly Vitaly Potapenko. So outside of watching those classic Sunday afternoon Laker/Knick/Bulls games growing up, I was a Cavs fan. You see in my opinion an even further outreach of Cavs fans than what you even described. I would say WNY, W.PA, WV and nearly the entire state of Ohio would be your core fanbase for the Cavs.

I'm sorry but my morning crap looked better than those two "towers" on the this project. Kauffman really needs to start doing better because Lord knows it will be cheapened up like 600 Goodale.