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People just have a hard on for complaining about parking garages. I'm usually pretty anti parking garage, especially when you have quite a few available garages in OTR anyways. But I also see the practicality, especially since the hope is that this will be a grocery store that will serve the majority of the core, we need available parking since our public transit infrastructure is still so piss poor.

Question. What happens with the Vine Street Kroger? I'm to assume if this grocery store follows through, then the Vine Street kroger will outlive it's purpose. Question is though is who owns that block? And I imagine if anything that area will be prime for a Mercer Common type high density development.

I really don't have an issue with it, especially since it adds SOOOO much to downtown cincinnati, and OTR. This looks like would fit right in any major city quite honestly. Chicago, Toronto, etc all have urban grocery stores that look exactly like this. I know we should want more/expect more design wise, but guys we are finally getting a LEGIT urban grocery store. This is literally coming at a time in the span of 6 years, after OTR was nominated the nations most dangerous neighborhood in all of America in 2009, and downtown cincinnati was a wasteland. Things are finally happening. OTR is alive. The riverfront is alive, slowly the CBD is coming back alive (though slower), nearby historic neighborhoods like Northside, and soon Walnut Hills are coming back alive. We are finally getting some much public transportation in the street car. Things are happening! And think how quickly all of this has occurred in a such short period of time. It's mind boggling. I'm just appreciating all of this is happening, so quickly. Cincinnati is FINALLY becoming a city again, and not just a suburban paradise. edit: That said as far as design goes, since this is within the historic OTR boundaries, doesn't that mean that the developers will have to go through the historic board and get the design approved? At the very least, they can make the building look a little more in line with other OTR buildings as far as dimensions are concerned.

It's weird that neighborhoods like The Olde West End, and Lower Price Hill (which is like a small mini OTR) would be home to million dollar condo's in other big cities like Boston/Chicago/NYC, and trendy restaurants and shops, but in Cincinnati it's like no one cares. Mod Note: Edited for NSFW language.

I can tell you as a Millennial, especially that goes to UC, there's a growing revitalization of, "young people" wanting to move to OTR and closer to the core. Many of us (can't speak for all of course) absolutely hate the suburbs and are tired to have to drive everywhere. There's a huge movement of Cincinnati being, "cool" again, and that mainly is due to OTR and North side (to a smaller extent). That said, the older crowd (40-60's) will be lucky to have that passion reignited. The disinvestment of OTR during the 80's-2010's will forever be etched in there brains. The riots, the murders, that sense of danger will never disappear for them. To them, OTR and the urban core as a place to live and play will never exist. That used to bother me, but I'm okay with that now. The millennials are what will drive the future of this city. I can tell you first hand we love this city and the urban core, and are doing everything in our power to flee the suburbs of blue ash/montgomery/etc and move down to the urban core when we have the financial means to do so. I can guarantee you guys this city will be a night and day difference in the next 30 years.

There are some absolutely beautiful neighborhoods in Convington. And your right, they are much more intact than Cincinnati's. That said, by street viewing most of Covington, it seems like most of the buildings are short and squat (and don't really encompass to much land space), and are mostly about 2 stories tall, sometimes on occasion 3 stories. I would believe it's much easier and cheaper to save and maintain those buildings compared to the 3-5 story tenement buildings you commonly see around Cincinnati.

It looks alright I guess. I can't understand why toronto architects aren't taking more risks with these residential towers though. I was under the impression that architects have a profound love for architecture and design. Almost all of toronto's residential tower stock looks so generic, boring, and flat. And it sucks because so much of the skyline is dominated by these tall towers.

What blows my mind about the project ^ is that it's starting NEXT year. That's wayyy quicker than I imagined. Honestly thought this wouldn't be happening for another 4-5 years. It's also one of the last few remaining, "massive" otr lots. Besides this one, the Findley Market lot, and the Sycamore lot are the last few that come to mind.

The New Resturaunt on 15th and Pleasant has a name, "Pleasantry", coming Spring 2016.T he chef is Evan Hartman, who was most recently sous-chef at The President's Room at the Phoenix, where he worked with Souder. http://www.cincinnati.com/story/entertainment/dining/2015/11/10/all-day-restaurant-part-latest-3cdc-project/75520034/

ZBGB (from the owner of zula) has also opened this past weekend on Race Street. Apparently the burgers are top notch from what I've been told.

If this city is projected to grow in population, and witness a revitalization, I don't see why 1 more music venue on the banks would kill chances of a revival of The Emery, or make competition with the Woodward theater. That's what make big cities great is, "options". I don't see how a new music venue option is a bad thing. Hell, if I told you this stadium was going to open on the empty lot on Sycamore Street in OTR I bet people would be supportive and extremely excited. But because it's a "Cranley" concept it's a bad thing and all of a sudden creates unfair competition. The only thing that would piss me off is if this takes place on land that could've been better utilized at the banks. Especially the fore-mentioned potential dead zone that would be created.

I was reading the Sunday enquirer. There was a paragraph about Ensemble Theater and how they plan to announce there, "future" plans on Feb 26th about the adjacent buildings they own on Vine Street and there expansion. Does anyone have any details about this?

So does that mean we can finally plant trees and not have to constantly cut them down on Walnut?

I mean yeah..but no. I don't know. I love to show off OTR, because to me it's easily the coolest thing about Cincinnati (in my opinion of course). Especially if someone is visiting family wise. I still hold true to the idea that OTR has the potential to be a world class tourist destination. I just don't want people to see the blight. There's still sooo much of it in OTR, especially in the "revitalized" southern part of OTR. Main Street still has alot of vacant retail spots. Walnut Street still has alot of blighted buildings in disrepair (columbia, the grammers bar building, all the intact row of buildings on that side). The "revitalized" southern half of vine street still has a whole 2-3 blocks of blight, and buildings hanging on hinges. It still feels sketchy walking around parts of republic street (especially where the crack bar is). Race street, has 2-3 blocks of a huge vacant lot, and disrepaired buildings. Elm Street is barely revitalized and contains alot of empty lots and blight. Music Hall needs a rehab. Memorial Hall needs a rehab. Ziegler park needs to be revamped. I'm just being straight up. So much great stuff has happened in OTR, revitalization wise and I applaud 3cdc for what they have been able to accomplish. But if were being honest, were probably not even at 15% towards complete revitalization. There's still so many vacant lots, blighted buildings, and crime to deal with. This is for the long haul, and there's decades of revitalization left to go. So if a out of town tourist was to tell me that they were going to visit OTR, I would say awesome! But I'd also add a disclaimer that it's a work in progress and I hope they will come back to see all of the new additions in the coming months/years.

I agree. I feel that all of Vine Street in OTR ALONE can easily support up 30 bars/restaurants if not more. These places are so tiny, that I feel like there will be a constant need for more bar/dining options. As population in OTR/Cincinnati grow (which I think will only continue to grow at a more rapid pace in the next 5-10 years), and more residents begin to move back to OTR there will be a constant need for more options. I truly think they will need to look at how to expand that, because OTR as a whole can EASILY support more. Especially if were bunching in the Northern most part of OTR with the Mohawk District, and the Eastern Edges of OTR with Pendelton. That area as well can support quite a few bars and resturaunts as well. Especially if those empty Sycamore Street lots become a future Mercer Commons type of development with retail below.

Council approves dividing OTR into 2 entertainment districts: http://www.fox19.com/story/30770171/council-approves-dividing-otr-into-2-entertainment-districts

From what I understand extremely well. Elm and Iron OTR location has become it's flagship location, and has generated more revenue in that location that in any of it's columbus locations. Hence the reason why they are expanding in OTR and making a 2nd store to include even more Elm and Iron items. It's honestly not surprising. OTR has become a tourist destination not just for Cincinnatians/NKY people anymore. I know people who come all the way down from Columbus/Cleveland/Indianapolis/etc to just visit OTR. The word is getting out there about it's architecture, and world class dining options and it's spreading fast. I have a cousin who lives in Florida. He had his first visit to Cincinnati in over 10 years. I showed him around OTR and he was floored. He called it a, "mini italy" of the midwest. He was amazed by the architecture, and said he's never seen anything like it besides in movies, and was astounded by how beautiful Cincinnati and OTR was. He's already planning his next visit this Summer and wants to go back. The word is getting out there.

That side of Vine is exciting. It's really, really intact. Almost like what we have on Main Street on the south side of OTR.

Men's fashion retailer "Righno" is opening up there 3rd location in OTR on Vine (in the old We Are Vikings location). Scheduled to open this march. https://www.instagram.com/p/_2Z-qAD1vU/ With Righno, and Elm & Iron 2nd store taking up retail in the old Brandery location/We Are Vikings location means that we are finally beginning to see the early stages of development creep up to 15th and Vine and beyond. I'm assuming with 3cdc already submitting there's plans for 15th and Vine construction to the historic board we might see construction begin Summer/Early Fall if everything gets approved/no delays. And hopefully that will coincide with the rehab of the old Green HW building as well (and of the course the building adjacent to it) Can't wait to see that building rehabbed. Easily the most beautiful building in Over the Rhine. Some fresh green paint, and some touch ups will do wonder. And I can't wait for the historic beer garden in the back of the building to be rehabbed as well. So much of it is still intact even almost 200 years later.

The new holiday inn being built? Is it supposed to have ground floor retail?

It was probably just a cash grab for the all star weekend, and the owners realized how saturated the barcade market is with Northside & OTR each having there own respective barcades.

Yeah I was going to mention that. The whole CUF area is kind of "suburban" early 19th century esque. In that, it's less like OTR where you these large 3-4 story tenement row houses and pretty much no space inbetween, compared to single lot Victorian Mansions with a bit of space between house to house.

Sad. Looked like a nice historic building :( It looked like it was in good condition as well.

Realistically...Can the Clifton Market survive with Kroger being less than a 2 minute drive away? Is the Clifton population dense enough to where it can support 2 grocery stores?

Why was that building being demolished?