TroyEros

So a few things.... 1. A group of buildings are being demolished on ring gold st in mt. Auburn by uptown rentals. Otr adopt is looking to save the green 2 story row house and transplant back in otr. They are paying for the building and the lot in otr but need help finding a suitable and appropriate street with an available lot. The group of buildings are scheduled to be demolished in the next week or so. 2. The large vine st lot with the muscle man mural is on the market now by the owner. The lot is going for 180,000 dollars from what I recall. It's listed on zillow if anyone wants to check it out.

Yeah not sure either why that chunk of land is being look at with such a cautious and tentative speed.

32,000 fans at a soccer game versus a baseball or football game aren't close to the same thing. The gate revenue is huge thanks to club seats and luxury boxes and the TV contracts are huge. For some perspective on how big "major league" soccer is compared to football, baseball, basketball, and hockey, take a look at this list. It only has 1/6th the revenue of hockey, the fourth-biggest professional sport in the United States: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_sports_leagues_by_revenue In addition, NASCAR has about $3 billion in annual revenue (about the same as hockey, or 6X major league soccer). WWE professional wrestling has about $800 million in annual revenue, so it is still significantly bigger than MLS. Why we are even discussing about revenue? Who cares? I'm talking about the fact that there were 32K fans all screaming in unison for there home team. Why are we even comparing revenue now? That wasn't my point, but rather about the buzz that is being created because of this team.

Okayyyy... There were over 32K fans at Nippert that Day. The game was televised on ESPN, a national stage, and the game itself was a miracle and was a nail biter to say the least. You essentially had the Louisville Bats defeat the Chicago Cubs in a 1 game playoff. Not to even mention the fact that Chicago has one of the most legendary soccer players of our generation in Shweinsteiger who was the main cog who helped Germany secure the World Cup in 2014. Everyone the day after was talking about this match, and whether they were at the match or watched on ESPN. So your post honestly makes you sound as if your someone who just doesn't, "get it".

Hugggggggggggggge risk ^ So many of the current fans are suburban mason moms and dads, bringing there 8 year old pee wee soccer kids. Many of them are still afraid to enter OTR, let alone the West End. Parking will be crucial simply because we have so many suburbanites who just detest walking/any forms of urban life.

I just find it interesting that even though architecture changes throughout the decades, even though these buildings aren't in the same glory of old OTR in regards to sheer materiel and attention to detail, if these 3cdc buildings last for the next 100 years (what I imagine would be a constant upkeep due to cheaper materiel) these new collection of buildings will be considered just as historically impactful as the surrounding original buildings. We'll probably be dead, but it'll be interesting how the infill of OTR will tell a new story to the future cincinnatians of our 21st century history. Just how 20th century OTR structures tell the story of it's past.

It will be the West End. The land speculation prices for both the Ovation site and the Oakley site will be massive. The west end is by far the cheapest land value option, and doesn't carry the controversy that a FC Kentucky will bring, or a suburban Oakley site will bring. The West end will be great for pre game drinking, and accessibility via the street car. The life blood of this team are urbanites who want to walk to the game, and are very supportive of urban progress in cincinnati in general. Parking might be a massive concern, but maybe Jack Casino can work some type of deal with FCC? Or maybe a parking garage can be built? I don't know, but what I do know is that an urban stadium in the west end will be great for the progress that OTR is encountering, and maybe even be a catalyst for saving the old west end quicker than forseen.

Are we really that small of a market when Dayton/NKY/IND are a factor in the FCC audience as well?

Bigger markets mean nothing. It's about fan support and right now the mls is suffering with that. From Philadelphia, Chicago and New England to Columbus all the way down to Houston and Dallas the attendance is abysmal. Constant low figures, mainly because of horrible stadium location decisions. Larger markets mean absolutely nothing if you don't have a fan support system in full stride, and right now FCC attendance figures are beating half of the mls teams which is absolutely embarrassing for the mls.

I really want that space to be demolished honestly.

The tiny streets of prospect hill and pendelton are straight up European. The brick and the ivy is so charming and atmospheric.

Are those not the final design renderings? ^

6 new luxury condos planned out in latest hcb for sycamore st in otr. The renderings for whatever reason give me serious LA vibes for whatever reason...

Well I highly doubt the walnut hills Kroger was profitable. Low income residents don't exactly have a lot of spending power...not saying it's right, but it's just the reality, especially when the main core of Cincinnati residents are extremely impoverished.

Where the hell were these people when towne properties was building their single family million dollar town homes. That's why I have no respect for these people.

I found councilman Seelbach statement pretty funny when he said this project looks more fit for the banks. This project should have been what the banks was aiming for all along instead of the crap we got instead now.

I just can't. If you read the enquirer comments about this development many are stating that the site should've stayed as a community garden. I just can't.

Curious about the meterial and color change that they apperantly did. The article says it will be presented to the hcb. I'm guessing source 3 won't break ground until late summer/early fall now. Edit. Also apperantly the facade might be altered but no 100 percent promise was made. Just a might.

The Dennison was a pure rubbing each other back move. The connection with the Joseph Auto group and mayor cranely was clear. Also the city likes the defend its internal procedures with the hcb and zba, hence why this most likely isn't a done deal just become some random magistrate is saying the city should.

The city hcb and zba denied demolition for the Davis building, and typically follow suit when issuing demolition permits. Judging how the Dennison left a bruise on cranleys campaign, I feel like he will try his best to appeal and save the Davis building (if not try to purchase the building through emminent domain) if nothing more to prove his worth to urbanites.

Was anyone able to attend the meeting today with Source 3, city council, and the OTRCC? I'm curious how that went..or is that later today? Curious what they are discussing before tomorrows final vote on the project.

I agree cranley has not been a positive influence what so ever. But it's deeper than that. We have a different outlook on preservation and historic buildings. That's why we conrogate to this site. It's our passion. That said, the VAST majority of people see old buildings as an illustration of blight and poverty. We are unfortunately not Paris or Madrid or London where the archectiure gob smacks you in the mouth and makes your eyes water with beauty. The vast majority of our old stock is plain, but with special interest, becomes beautiful. It's a nation wide problem. We are not alone. Heck look at what's going on with pike st across the river. We have old buildings, they don't exactly leave you flabbergasted by there beauty, and are normally in poor shape. You basically have to train the average person to love something that isn't inheriently beautiful. Even the Dennison, it was a giant red brick building, that most called ugly and worthy of demolition by non preservationist. Also it doesn't help when you can travel to any 50 states in America and find similar historic architecture everywhere. Even traveling to small towns in Ohio from circleville to Logan, you can find old buildings that look like replicas of any old buildings in Cincinnati. It's a much larger problem besides cranely. It's not like Ohio is its own country and we have our own distinct architecture you can't find anywhere else. There are just to many old buildings across America, making them lose there uniqueness. Add that to the fact most old buildings are in high crime neighborhoods and are typically seen as blight. It's just an abundant of issues honeslty. ,

Its a catch 22. You have old buildings that can be redeveloped, or you can demolish them for high density units. Also people need to care. It's why otr and it's buildings are generally better preserved nowadays than elsewhere in Cincinnati. People see every building there as something special that represents the identity of the neighborhood and it's history. Anywhere else it's just considered an old deliptated useless, ugly, building. Look at the Dennison dibocale. If the Dennison was on the main st portion of otr it would have been a public outcry. It's weird if you ask me. I've never seen such a isolated bubble for preservation like that in any other city

What's the source of this information? There was an article in citybeat about the elm and liberty project. A quote from Tim Burke, representing Source 3 stated that the project could hypothetically be downsized further and a project design change could occur only if they are granted to bypass the HCB, in order to appease the OTRCC. I'm now praying this gets passed by council on Wednesday. If the OTRCC gets there way, then we will end up with a 3 story project with so much less density on a prominent street corner. The people on the OTRCC are cancer to the future and growth of OTR. Utter cancerous tumors that are creating more harm than benefit. The project may have looked a little off, but at least it would have brought great density and weight to a prominent street corner. This is BS if goes through IMO, and the density is decreased because of the OTRCC.

So the source 3 elm and liberty project is up for council vote tomorrow. Apparently the project might be further dwarfed and a design change might occur barring allowance to bypass the hcb for approval. Thanks otr community council!