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Is it fair to expect that the infill will reach mt Adams quality in the next 5-7 years? I feel like as property value continues to rise that we are going to see very expensive infill to that match the quality we are expecting to see in otr. I'm especially eyeing streets like Peete St and the more elevated streets with hilltop views of otr

Does anyone have any inside information as to what is going on with Northpointe Rothenberg Row? This was the latest update all the way back in July 2016 I haven't heard anything moving forward, and the Keep the Courts facebook page is baron with any updates. I'm wondering if Northpointe is dropping this project completely.

Latest HCB packet is out: http://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/buildings/historic-conservation/historic-conservation-board/february-27-2017-staff-report-and-attachments/ Includes Pleasant St 3cdc condo redesign.

So from what I understand the Landmark status for The Dennison was granted? PG 85: http://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/buildings/historic-conservation/historic-conservation-board/february-13-2017-staff-report-and-attachments/

Also, sorry for the double post, but please sign this Change.org petition. It's the least we can do for now. We know the jospehs hate bad press, and this might be something that helps with that! https://www.change.org/p/save-the-dennison-hotel-from-demolition-boycott-joseph-dealerships?recruiter=2808359&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=share_page&utm_term=mob-md-share_petition-custom_msg

Here's the break down right now. Matt Woods legal group is filing an appeal. That appeal takes time to process (from what I understand at least 2 weeks), that would block the demolition and have this carry towards trial. Currently it's a race against the clock. One fortunate thing that has occured is that the Dennison is filled with Asbestos and considering the size of the building it may easily take 2 weeks to fully get rid of. Even afterwards, their will be a little bit of time needed to fully get the Dennison prepped for proper demolition. Chris Seelbach landmark application is also on the docket for this upcoming HCB packet (Feb 13th). It's literally as if we are 7 points down with 30 seconds left on the clock to carry the ball 100 yards for a touch down. Time is the biggest issue, and how long it will take to get the Dennison ready for demolition is are only saving grace in this matter till the appeal can be processed.

This is off topic, so I apolgize in advance. I find NYC so fascinating. When you go their, it's clear it's a city that's kept itself preserved. But I can't help but feel what was preserved was more "new" preservation so to speak. In essence, the old NYC was completely wiped out by the growing population and the rising skyscrapers that replaced these older buildings. I found images of the gilded age of NYC (from the late 1800's, early 1900's.) Holy crap did NYC look straight out of Europe. Would have been really cool if this was preserved.

Their will be a Save the Denison surprise event. It's a public gathering where their will be surprises announced, whatever that means... It begins this Saturday at 2:00pm to 2:30 pm. Meet at 7th and Sycamore and they will group walk to the Denison from their. Official FB invite link: https://www.facebook.com/events/281684988917374/?ti=icl

Apperantly a team of lawyers have been selected who will work pro bono to help with the appeal process for the Denison...according to the save the Dennison Facebook group page

Doing something is better than doing absolutely nothing. I implore everyone to copy/paste the email sample text below and send it to the cincinnati city council address below. It might not mean anything at the end of it all, but at least you can say you tried. Sample letter - I sent to: [email protected]

Color me impressed by that Holiday Inn building. Granted my expectations were rock bottom, but it really does look decent, especially with that brick facade. I guess I wish the building itself was taller, but overall their have been waaaaay more unattractive infill in the CBD compared to the Holiday Inn building. Also, any info on the Spoon and Cellar place? It seems like a resturaunt but I've heard next to nothing about this established. It's strange because usually you would at least see the Cincinnati Biz Courier promote places like this a bit.

Because it's a city, not a museum? There's a huge difference between preservation and stagnation. You can find buildings like those pictured thousands of times over in the immediate vicinity. It's an extremely vibrant intersection with tons of demand for space. It's going to constantly go through changes. But one only needs to walk a couple blocks away to find buildings like those pictured all over the place. And as stated above, some of those buildings are still there, either covered by billboards or still as shown in the picture. Expecting any area of NYC to stay the same, let alone Times Square or the rest of Midtown, is a touch naive. It's not going to happen. So does that make most European Cities who have preserved most of their original architecture simply museums and not real cities?

As good as NYC is with preservation I still don't understand why Time Square had to be replace these old gems with this new modern crap.. Does anyone know the history behind this? What was the reasoning for demolishing the original buildings?

It always amazes me when you hear about the stats on OTR and how it lost over 50% of it's original stock, yet when you do these rooftop ariels you can't help but see this massive collection of old buildings and really can't notice the widespread demolition that occurred.. I guess it becomes more apparent on certain blocks and certain streets, but it's nice that the destruction of OTR never came to the point where it was just 1 massive ocean of parking lots, with some historic buildings in between.

Chris Seelbach has just applied the Denison for Historic Landmark status

I think it looks great. The lack of density sucks though. That said the quality of infill that 3cdc has created today compared to just a few years ago is quite noticeable. They seem to get it, and the buildings don't stick out like the ugly Mercer Building on Vine, but rather blend into the built environment. I honestly wish 3cdc would realize their mistake and demolish that horrid mercer building, but that will never happen of course.

Might be wishful thinking but for some reason I still have a gut feeling that the Dennison won't be demolished. WE shall eventually see regardless. Hopefully the Hamilton Co. appeal board doesn't have many Cranley appointees. With that said, now more than ever we should do what we can to save the dennison. The lawyer that the Cincinnati Preservation team is essentially working for free as many noted. They have been doing a fundraiser for quite some time, and are currently 200$ short of there 5K dollar goal. http://preservethenati.org/campaigns/savethedennison/ Donate if you guys can!

Before we bury the casket lets not forget there is still the next step of appealing. Each decision has been 1 vote from in favor of the dennisons, or 1 vote in favor in preservation. Round 3, can easily change the tides once more. It's not done yet. I think the key is that we need to get the motivation back. After the first decision from the HCB it seemed like everyone assumed this building was safe. Before that there were rallies and marches with people wearing there save the dennison shirts, with there red balloons, and would attend the HCB meetings. This time around? Not one person seemed to go, nor care about the decision process.

I'm just done. The whole concept of a historic district is BS apparently. This city doesn't realize how special these buildings are. I just can't any longer. It's beyond frustrating and I'm just tired of fighting to preserve these buildings when no one else in this city gives 2 damns.

I'd also argue that the street car is irrelevant because it serves no purpose outside of big game days/festivals & events. The few residents who actually live in the CBD/OTR may use it for work. I suspect the street car is most popular for CBD workers who want to use it for lunch gatherings in OTR. But I'm sure the wait time might make them say screw it all together and just eat somewhere nearby within a minute or so walking distance. It was a HUGE missed opportunity not to extend this to UC. This could have easily been a hit with the students who enjoy drinking/eating in OTR but didn't have a car/or didn't use there car much. Same goes for the opportunity of perhaps creating a new sector of student housing in OTR as well. Not to mention attracting new possibilities of residents in OTR for the professors and the doctors who work uptown. Right now, your basically catering to two crowds. The 1st crowd are people who actually live and work in the urban core. The 2nd crowd are the suburban tourists who come maybe once a weekend. The problem with this is that our urban core population is a ghost town (seriously just drive around downtown around 5pm when all the workers leave for home, and our downtown is so dead. Yes, it's winter, but that doesn't stop from other major cities to keep bustling during the cold). So your really catering to a select niche crowd. The 2nd crowd your catering to have no use for the street car. The people who go to the banks don't normally care for OTR. An the people who go to OTR normally don't care for the banks. Add to the fact that the banks at it's current state is a major flop. There is no real draw. No real entertainment district aside from a couple of bars and restaurants. It's just, there more or less. The people who want to go to OTR willl easily find there nearest parking garage like the Washington Park garage, park there car, walk a few blocks over to Vine St and sit down and eat, and drive back home. The people who want to go to Findley Market will park in the nearby parking lot. Get out of their car. Shop and eat, and go home. Adding the fact that the wait times are horrid doesn't help either. The street car right now, for the majority of people, is utterly pointless and useless (outside of major game days or events/festivals). Unless we connect this to Newport/Covington and UC I believe this project will be a massive failure. This needs to cater to more areas. Right now, the biggest supporter of the street car at one time, agrees with the masses, this current route (and the system and it's wait times) is just pointless.

The first place that popped up in my mind as well. Would allow for future growth as well, as I'm sure not all of the new positions will fill the capacity of that spec office tower.

The latest HCB for 12/5 is out. http://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/buildings/historic-conservation/historic-conservation-board/december-5-2016-staff-report-and-attachments/

Thank god. If this were to be carried out any longer I'm sure those last remaining buildings on that elm block would be demolished. They are in such bad shape!

The stadium is to large for MLS. The capacity is 65K. Good MLS attendance is around 25K-30K. You don't want more than half the stadium empty. It's a horrible look for the team and creates a cavern.

Sucks for the residents who don't have cars. That said this should be seen as good development news imo. A project like thr gantry in North side with ground floor retail and upstairs apartments will be jist what that block needs. I also believe that mini mom and pop markets and grocers would fit right in with the absence of kroger. Sucks for the residents of that area, but long term wise it opens a critical block begging for high density development.