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Regardless, MLS will want a Soccer specific stadium for any chances of FCC to jump to the MLS. I'm fully in favor of keeping nippert as FCC main venue, but there are indications from Don Garber that this will only be a short term solution rather than a solidified long term plan. There is also talks about the IRS site in Covington as a potential area of interest. I wouldn't be totally against a MLS stadium in Northern KY with Cincinnati as the backdrop. Cincinnati NEEDS MLS. The length of the season is the longest in any pro sports. There season starts from early March till Mid December. With 34 weeks of games, and 5 rounds of playoff matches, and an All Star game that cities host in the Middle of the summer. To have these people come to our urban core and come to these games (especially when the bengals/reds aren't at home) and in turn ride the street car to go to bars or restaurants after the games will be a boon to our cities vibrancy and economy. I would love for Clifton and the UC area to experience this boon, but alot of signs are pointing that this simply won't be the case. If building a stadium means more vistors coming to cincinnati and exploring downtown (on days when they would have probably stayed at home or done something else in there suburb community) then so be it.

I imagine that's hard to happen since the Wade Project seems to be dead, and I imagine rehabilitating the Grammer Bar building would cost quite a bit. I think the Old Weilert Building with the beer garden in the back would be a much perfect suitor. Especially since 3cdc owns it, and is going to rehabilitate the building soon anyways (hopefully at least)/

As mentioned about, where the old Cincinnati Saints soccer used to play in the West End. Obviously that old stadium would be demolished and the land would be cleared for a MLS specific stadium. It's a no brainer imo due to the proximity of it being literally a few minutes from OTR.

Really excited about this adding more night life closer to the CBD. Also glad they are reusing a historic space without it being demolished.

From Neon's owner in the Cincy Bar thread... It sounds like they have a location in mind, and are close to announcing the new spot assuming they can get everything tied together.

The owner of Neons already chimed in another thread. He's moving Neon's to a different location in OTR...from what I understand a 3cdc owned spot.

In 20 years (give or take) it will. If I head correctly the owner of the downtown skyline is still massively afraid of OTR and still thinks its a murderous ghetto, so there definitely is still a perception problem of OTR to this day. I also think there is still an over saturated amount of Bars as well in OTR, and I feel like because it's the safe way to make alot of money in OTR. We definitely need more establishments like Gomez. Too much of OTR is defined by Fine Dining restaurants, or Bars. We need more Tuckers. We need more Gomez like locations spread throughout the side streets of OTR. This is the short list of new establishments still to come in OTR... -Revel (wine bar on E12th st) -Genius (Bar on Republic St) -Bullhead Creamery (Alcholic Ice Cream bar on Main St) -Mecca (just recently opened on Walnut St) -Long Fellow (Bar to open on Clay St) Notice how they are all bars and not dining options or casual European style cafes. I just get the sense that Bars make money in OTR, but food concepts are far more risky and thats why we see less of them in OTR.

Anyone willing to translate for us non-subscribers? http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2016/11/30/heres-what-3cdc-believes-otr-is-still-missing.html

Interesting, hopefully this means the windows can be reopened again. I'm wondering also what can go in that space? It's rather large, and contains 2 stories. A part of me would think Elm and Iron would be interested in opening up a 3rd location by Findley Market/Rheingeist for those who doesn't frequent OTR South as much.

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2016/11/28/over-the-rhine-retailer-to-close-doors-after-131.html Sad, but times are changing and if you aren't like Elm and Iron/Ikea (hip and trendy catalog for Millenials, plus strong social media outreach and presence) than this is no doubt the likeliest of outcomes. Excited for what can be done with this space though! ...Side note though, are the windows still blocked out like it is in that photo? If so, does anyone know why the windows are not restored and reopened?

New Luxury Infill is being proposed for Seitz St in OTR http://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/buildings/historic-conservation/historic-conservation-board/november-21-2016-staff-report-and-attachments/

I overheard a convo where 2 guys were talking and discussed how the area around UC is unsafe and is a ghetto. That's when the other guy mentioned a place in OTR to grab food. Interesting times.

Does anyone know if planning commision approved the project? Source 3 was supposed to meet with the commission at 9am today.

Yeah, even though OTR is much improved it's still a very sketchy area, especially at night if your getting near to North of Liberty. Their's no reason to spend 600k on a condo in OTR when you can spend that same money in generally safer neighborhoods like Hyde Park. OTR is currently attracting millennials who have well paying jobs and are able to drop 100-300K on a condo. They are not attracting the wealthy attorneys, doctors and business ceo's. These group of people are still very much living in their enclaves and suburbs.

I'm not going to argue with you. I like it, you don't. Matter of the fact is that these large lots will always have trouble (at least at this early stage of OTR redevelopment phase) with the factors your looking for. At the very least, I'm happy that this is much improved upon compared to 3cdc efforts with Mercer, and The Gateway Garage project, and hope that future large lots will only improve on from here. I know you are more intelligent when it comes to architecture and design due to your background, and thus look at architecture with different eyes than me. You see design and technicalities, I see is "feeling" or the vibe the building gives me. It's all good man.

That is a patently false statement. Nothing about this building fits into OTR. I don't like faux historic, but it goes nowhere near far enough to be a good example of it. It also goes nowhere near modern enough to differentiate itself. It also doesn't bother trying to reference things like the pedestrian scale of the ground level of OTR, the graining of OTR, the proportions of buildings in OTR, the rhythm of OTR. It's a terrible building. I'm excited about that much development in one spot, but let's not kid ourselves that this is in any way a step up from infill we've already seen in OTR. You just don't like it, which is fine. Many others here agree that it's fairly decent looking project. Not the best, not the worst. A terrible building is the gateway garage project on vine. It's just a giant blank red building. This at least blends somewhat within it's surroundings.

Yeah, it's a strange double standard that's occurring. The design of the project is pretty decent (much more fitting in the OTR landspace than say the Mercer Commons project), and the height issue is idiotic. It's on a corner, and the height only varies 1-2 stories more than other surrounding OTR buildings, it's hardly an issue either. The affordability point may be a factor though, but this is the new changing face of OTR I'm afraid....Also we have to remember that Source 3 is rehabbing the surrounding buildings that are in terrible shape. If we allow this project to be stalled, than who knows what the fate of these buildings might become.

I feel like the Source 3 Elm and Liberty project would constitute as a pretty big development North of Liberty

I so wish we can quickly change the perception of downtown as a place to live. I know so many people who won't even go to otr during the winter because it's too cold for them and they would rather shop nearby in Kenwood. I suspect it will continue to drop during these winter months. My biggest fear is that if this trend is prolonged that we will see people turn against the street car again and call it a waste of money and effort and furthermore hurt uptown extension chances. We simply need more bodies in the urban core. Aside for a quarter of otr our downtown is still very much desolate on the weekdays and becomes a ghost town during the bitter cold days of winter... That's not good for ridership numbers these next 4-5 months.

Wow, definitely more diverse than I realized. Good to know! Thanks for sharing. One of the benefits of not having a white hot housing market is that there are more opportunities to hold onto diversity in neighborhoods that are seeing new interest. Hopefully Cincinnati can find a way to both redevelop and hold onto existing residents. I'm genuinely curious where these residents end up going. OTR, Northside, Walnut Hills (to a lesser extent) are all seeing stages of gentrification and are in turn becoming a more expensive neighborhood to live in. The suburbs will build a wall quicker than Donald Trump when it comes to keeping the impoverished (especially impoverished african americans) out of their wealthy, white, suburban, communities. So, do they move to the west side? Price Hill? Covington?

I only recently have really started to dwell into Northside as a whole lately. I'm really surprised by the historic fabric. It's got some gaps, but can be infilled pretty nicely. As a whole the neighborhood reminds me of something you would find across the river in Covington. Kind of an OTR lite in some ways in terms of it's attractiveness from a historic fabric perspective.

I'm really excited for this restaurant! Chef Ryan Santos is a really acclaimed chef in the foodie scene, and his presence in OTR will only help OTR prove it's worth as a foodie destination. What i'm not excited is that a 4 course tasting menu (these are small dishes mind you), starts at 52$. Meaning, if had to go with my gf, that would cost 104, plus 15-20$ for tips, plus another 20-25$ for some drinks. Were talking about a 130$-145$ dining experience, for 2 people. That's incredibly expensive, but only reiterates the fact that OTR will be the next Hyde Park of Cincinnati when it comes to wealth in the next 20-30 years.

Huh, sounds like a neat place! Still, the building looks like a prison, and those who live on republic street have an unfortunate blank wall to stare at. Hopefully in the not to foreseeable future one of these big developers (source 3, 3cdc, The model group, etc..) can perhaps find a way to move the community center (like on the sycamore lot for instance...) and open that area for mixed use redevelopment.

I understand that now. Still, it's sad to see business after business shutting down at the banks. I understand that Orange Leaf is struggling and they are making their own personal choice in closing. That said, I feel that Orange Leaf was a nice addition to the banks, especially after Reds games during the hot summer months. I know the banks is still a work in progress, but I still feel the ultimate problem is because of OTR when it comes to the struggles The Banks, and much of CBD is experiencing. OTR is an island, a really beautiful island, and has to many options footsteps away from each other (ex, graters next to the eagle, the eagle next to popular bars, the popular bars next to retail destinations like Elm and Iron, etc.). There is no need to explore the rest of downtown. There is also no need to live in the CBD, or the Banks. OTR is way to beautiful for its own good. I know many of friends who could care less about living at the banks, or parts of the CBD, but want to live exclusively in a historic loft in OTR. That's all they care about. They also could care less about hanging out at the banks or chilling out at the CBD (especially when they can just grab a beer at washington park and chill out on the patio deck) and I think that in result alienates other parts of Cincinnati from growing and flourishing. OTR is too much of an island, and is to dense with quality entertainment options, and because of these quality options many residents/visitors seldom have to go elsewhere in Cincinnati to have a good time, and think this in turn handcuffs the CBD/The Banks from growing because they simply don't have the star power that OTR currently has.

Yikes. This is embarrassing that retail just can't survive at the banks.