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Right - he talked a little about supply, then said "You also need demand" and then the piece just trailed off into nothing. Also, we tend to ascribe the mantle of "next big thing" to projects simply because they are big. In the case of things like the Med Mart and the Casino, which require John Q. Public's assent at the ballot box in one way or another, unfortunately, those in favor of the project tend to hype these things up as major catalysts when the reality is more along the lines of "this is a good idea. It's a small piece of a much larger puzzle, but we should do it." But I haven't heard much about this Tower City project being treated as much more than when the writer here says it is - a real estate project. It will transform a major hub of the city from its current use to something else, so if course it's getting some "big" attention. But beyond that, I'm not sure this piece is saying much.

New redesign concept aiming for slightly higher frequency with no loss of coverage at https://humantransit.org/2019/10/cleveland-see-where-you-could-go.html Interactive map showing differences buried in that blog post: https://rtanetworkconcepts.com/viewer/

You've been saying since the 1980's that a trade agreement that was signed in 1992 and went into effect in 1994 killed Cleveland?

Boilerplate statement in response to a boilerplate press release. Moving on?

This is a very good point. They just told up to 4,400 NEO workers that in the next 4 years or so they might have to move out of state or find a new job? If the workforce wasn't pre-informed that this release would be put out, I'm sure there are lots of questions swirling around today about it and a lot of people will need to be reassured that it indeed is just due diligence.

To me a park is the only feasible alternative use for the land as it stands. Utterly cut off by the shoreway - imagine a far worse version of Edgewater's predicament , because there are more lanes of highway to traverse, some of it Interstate, and there's virtually no neighborhood to speak of to connect it to anyway. I don't propose shutting the airport down in favor of building a park without some idea of how much it costs, but I'm supposing the cheapest scenario would be a larger version of the Cleveland Lakefront Nature Preserve (Dike 14), which would be somewhat welcome. Dike 14 is relatively small, with around a 1.5 mile perimeter trail and some rather short connecting trails within. An equivalent "back-to-nature" park at Burke would provide a decent 4.5-ish mile perimeter trail and I'm sure several connecting trails... although the south edge of the perimeter would be highly miserable going as you take in the scenic views of I-90 and North Marginal. It being an airport and all, starting from literally no vegetation aside from grass and weeds on most of the land and imperceptible elevation changes, it would take a decade or two for the entire thing to be anything but a boring, scorching wasteland in summertime, outside of the north lake edge and some skyline views at the northwest corner. This would be the lowest-cost option and it makes sense to me as I said above - There certainly would be some value in having such a large park near downtown, though again it would be exclusively accessible by car and bike. But does anyone want to start a pool, number of times this thread will be temporarily locked before the terminal doors at Burke are permanently locked? CT's agenda, such as it is, is comically erratic. "Close Burke, develop the land, it will be a ginormous economic engine." Then, "Close it, it's gonna be a park", and also "Well, just close it and see what happens." All over a lousy 1.3 million in operating cost while he posts photos of well manicured parklands and ignores questions of how much it might cost to develop and maintain them. If there were nothing there today, would we put an airport there? No. But I suggest you keep incessantly bleating about it on this forum, you are really winning over hearts and minds here. ?

Nothing truly new, an old tweet in fact, but the Terminal Tower account chose to retweet it today.... https://twitter.com/clevelanddotcom/status/1145874489542152192?s=19

Has this been mentioned anywhere? Far as I can tell this includes increased frequency for the WFL. The current schedule has only weekday Blue Line trains continuing through to South Harbor, with Green Line trains going through on the weekends. The new schedule has both Blue and Green Line trains going to the waterfront until 7, effectively doubling the frequency to every 10 minutes at rush and 15 minutes off-peak.

If they are really building that pedestrian bridge to Voinovich Park, then I hope the Cumberland development's greenspace which is slated to be very close the the bridge, is more interesting than yet another lawn as it was depicted in the site plan. I know the idea of extending the line of the malls is interesting in a way, but, counterpoint: the malls kind of suck. We are spending millions to put in a pedestrian bridge that will take people directly to Voinovich Park, which is mostly a lawn. A garden with trees, plantings, and benches, and/or a playground would be better there than another boring lawn to mow, in my opinion.

The idea that a chunk of land 1500 feet by 500 feet in area being limited to 5 stories due to an airport's flight path is somehow the one thing stopping Cleveland becoming a boomtown is laughable. I didn't include the other part of the "wasteland" you keep showing pictures of in that measurement above, because that's also known as the Port of Cleveland, has nothing to do with Burke's flight path, and is a major driver of the city's economy. We've been through this before; there were discussions about moving it east. Cost: $500 million.

I don't think that's true. The proposal to relocate the Shoreway shows the diversion from the highway's existing alignment occurring east of Horizon Science Academy, which is east of this development.

What imaginary version of Cleveland is this where rents are such that there is demand for multiple high rise construction projects nearly a mile away from public square, down the bluff, past 200 feet of railroad right of way, a major state highway, and behind a professional football stadium? Pace (I believe) had 5 stories planned for Harbor Verandas right there on E. 9th street and had to scale down to 2 or 3, not because of runway restrictions, but because people were spooked that he couldn't fill it. If the flight path of Burke is precluding these developments from happening, what's stopped NuCLEus, which is in the heart of Downtown for lo these many years. Why is it been downsized 20 stories? That port land is decidedly NOT the most valuable land in Cleveland. It is remote and disconnected. Even more so is the Burke land. Make it into a park; wonderful. You've created a gigantic park that cannot be reached by anyone without a car. It too is on the wrong side of 8 lanes of highway, which even if you committed the ODOT crime of turning it into a "boulevard" (just like we did with the West Shoreway, right?), there nothing close to a functioning neighborhood south of there that would be able to engage with the park, and further east, is the I90-SR2 interchange known as dead man's curve which isn't going anywhere. The money needed to execute a proper vision for Burke as park and that chunk of land north of the stadium would take...I'm going to consider throwing out the b word - a billion dollars? I really don't know. But a hell of a lot more than the $2M annually people are wringing their hands about the city losing per year at Burke.

A year ago I doodled this exact flight of fancy in Google Maps: https://drive.google.com/open?id=18QR-fGrfxMbf37Vayvx4visn7Ou9d-9n&usp=sharing Unsure how to get it back across the Shoreway, but at this point who cares, the WFL has no ridership anyway and there's nothing going on in regards to development on Muni Lots or creating a loop. At this would be a destination.

What is the Big Four Bridge? Google tells me it's in Louisville.

There is no chance Public Square is going to be redone in 5 years. It took 7 years to plan, fund, and construct what we have there now, which is not even 3 years old.

Before I go all wet blanket, let me say this excites me to no end. However, 2 points. 1.) Whether or not the charter says the HQ needs to be within a mile or even inside the city of Cleveland, I suspect 2/3rds vote of the shareholders would not be particularly difficult to obtain. If the board proposes a move to Brecksville because it will save the company X number of dollars over Y years, the shareholders aren't going to say, "Nah, man you gotta stay in Cleveland." It's a mild obstacle and really the bigger key is do key decision makers have an inclination to stay in Cleveland because that's what Sherwin Williams is. 2.) The building being on Public Square will do wonders for the square, by closing the visual gap and making it feel more like a "room", but I am not totally sold that it will necessarily do anything for the other WHD lots. It will raise the premium for parking which is what the lots already are used for, and Key Tower is pretty closed off and doesn't interact that well with its surroundings at street level. That would be important for a Public Square tower, even more so than Key which abuts a dead zone that will always be dead (thanks Mr. Burnham). Filling in the gaps from the Square to the WHD and doing it well is the #1 thing that will promote a better urban feel in downtown Cleveland. We all know the current state is a joke. Let's end that.

These redesign concepts and surveys strike me as a complete waste of time. It should be obvious that the outcome of these will be "something in between". If there is an argument that says the RTA service is necessarily a Mr. Miyagi "Walk left side, safe. Walk right side, safe. Walk middle, sooner or later, get squish like grape", then put it forward. They should be laser focused on improving their funding source. Maybe this absurd alternatives discussion is meant to be step 1 of that, because both show dramatic cuts (the WFL is closed! The Trolleys are canceled), and that sends a louder message than the repeated minor cuts they've been making. But guess what? Per Litt's article, their survey in February showed 1000 response that were split between 42% saying increase frequency, and 42% wanting more coverage. To which I say, "no shit". They can't please everyone with what they've got. What's really needed is what KJP is saying, which is the funding to do both, better. "What we want, is for people to understand the tradeoff," says the consulting firm. This is a lot of effort being spent to make people aware of a fact that should be obvious on its face..

Why? Because Ubers/Lyfts, and free trolleys, ride on the surface streets, which during peak times in the flats are prone to gridlock even without the site completely built out. Think of the cars that could be taken off the streets and out of downtown lots if drivers coming in for an evening of entertainment were encouraged to park in the city-owned lots, and given an RTA pass for the night. That's not just Flats parking, which is at a premium but every lot in the city which loses value if we actually use the infrastructure we built and encourage its use. If I'm going to an sporting event at Gateway, a show at Playhouse Square, etc, and I can pay, say, $10 to park in a lot directly off the highway and ride into downtown for free? This opens up every Flats establishment as an option for after-event patrons who wouldn't dream of trying to get down there in a car. W. 25th is also viable. This is not an exercise in making things harder for drivers. We need to crawl before we can walk. And part of crawling has to include changing the mindset. "RTA: Yes, the train goes somewhere!"

Can we run our WFL trains to/from the muny lots to Public Square only? Til 2 on Friday/Saturday nights in season only?

490 to close May 29, for 2 years, for construction of the absurd E. 55th underpass. https://expo.cleveland.com/news/g66l-2019/04/000da435f39804/odot-will-close-part-of-i490-in-cleveland-for-2-years-learn-why-and-see-detours.html

Is "You can have your new construction in either Bland or Ugly, or both," really not a false choice?

Just how does this "Marty" character know what's going to happen and who is his source? ?

As the transit hub for a cold-weather city, Tower City really ought to have some retail; aspirationally speaking, if this project can bring in a good number of good paying jobs into the hub, it could drive a reimagining and upgrading of the retail aspect that will raise the level of the entire center to make it a destination again. Not a regional destination, but the destination for downtown residents and people living along transit. The retail cold be cut to a third or a quarter of its existing square footage, but if that included a small-format Target, retention of some of the other desirable retailers, etc, you'd have a viable mix that makes Tower City active 7 days a week. I want people living in the development at W.25th to take the Red Line downtown to shop, not their cars to Steelyard Commons. My biggest fear with this is plan is that it eliminates so much retail that the interior becomes totally dead on weekends. The counterpoint to that is that it already kind of is.

I agree. 185th is a highly underrated and underappreciated corridor.

It came from the above-linked Cleveland.com article database search. I have the data in a spreadsheet here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h3QeeK1LWwgurB9-D2J7n6I4v8SBYlLI8qQtJ15-cww/edit?usp=drivesdk