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True, (Tim Grendell's Idea I'm pretty sure) & this is a state fund, so the generous folks of FRANKLIN County are included in footing the bill for "Fedor's Folly". :wink: I'd rather not deal with this inconvenience, so be it for what it's cost me already...... they got my Caravan off the road by blowing the head gasket in their facility... yay for them, score one for big politics! Now just waiting for 2 vehicles to turn 25 so I can finally register then once again without this nuisance . Wonder what they are going to do with the info structure they invested in when the 1995 cars turn 25 in 2020, will it finally go away then? (doubtfully)

I see she was re-elected once again in the 45th District. :x ... if she would only keep to her own business there. She never would have won if she re-instated her own counties back in the E-Check Program.

Used in great quantities, likely overused, Morton Salt is also a large employer up here too, so that's a no brainer. I've noted all the salt, calcium gumming up & ruining my sink cartridges in most recent years, leeching through my basement walls, all over my windows in the winter/springtime. It is also a corrosive.... look at the damage on concrete, & bridge structures since you cited billions, I imagine you are correct. Let's give another situation speaking of the environment... I recently took an 18 inch fluorescent tube up to my local Lowes for disposal/recycling (as both the Big Box Stores have disposal for "nasty" Mercury Containing CFL lamps... yeah, do the RIGHT thing!), I was informed they don't recycle the Tube lamps only the small CFL's, but they would be happy to dispose of it in their trash that would end up in an ordinary landfill (occasionally my Garbage men have left these on my lawn)... Fact is the large tubes contain about twice more mercury that these small CFL lamps, so what gives? It's likely all about Kickbacks & leading to believe us they care, but in reality they really don't, someone found a nitche to make some cash on CFL recycling. Just like someone is making a ton of cash (& kickbacks) on this E-Check! ;)

You wouldn't notice this as much now with most expressways being blacktopped. They (automakers) have come a way since, & never understood the logic when they were still checking the fuel inlets for modifications long after leaded gas had been off the market.... Then again it took our politicans several decades to figure out that steel license plates rust out & become unreadable when exposed to corrosive road chemicals. :| One thing I note in the winter here is the salt/chemical brine on everything & in the air, I challange Senator Fedor to look into this, no wonder we have a higher rate of heart disease here.

I would also guess "Wisconsin Stack Kit Seller", breeds and has children & grandchildren that will eventually inherit this cesspool! :wink: From the article I originally posted, this program was about 10 minutes from going away for good back in '07 & god knows what happened in July of '15 to keep in place, some conspiricy we shall never know of. Interesting, a City only inspection? I often wondered what the OSP Windshield sitckers even meant, I never hear of them inspecting vehicles on a regular basis, but still occasionally see one of them stickers.

^^^ A lot of these emission issues have taken care of themselves over the years, it's pretty much as good as it's going to get. I often wondered why they inspected the fuel inlets of vehicles for modifications in this program many years AFTER leaded gas was no longer available (there was always the temporary adapter to get around that anyway). The repairs should had become easier, & more reasonable over the years, instead it seemed to become a collusion to drive prices up. I remember a converter replacement upwards of a grand, though now they are more robust & can last the life of the vehicle. Was behind another County 25 FRANKLIN "tuner" the other day putting out excessive smoke, shouldn't the program go statewide?

Yes, this happened, & that certainly looked silly didn't it! :-D Our Government in Action!

Back at that time there was some local controversy that enough cars weren't failing & the program was unwarranted. Believe at that time all vehicles had to go on the rollers. May not be the case now, but then they needed to justify the programs existance. Why was Lake County's official air monitoring in downwind of the Lake East Hospitals incenerator stack?

I posted something a few days ago explaining this but the repost was a violation of terms, & the site would not allow me to repost the article link, in a nutshell, Teresa Fedor (working with Bill Harris) slipped the 7 counties in northeast Ohio as a rider on one of her unrelated bills in exchange for federal highway funds, it was a verbal 11th hour vote before recess so many did not know exactly what they were voting for, thus the 7 counties up here will likely be in the program for eternity. We have just accepted this program, & now the state threw us a bone, & made it biennial & free, but it's still unwarranted & a PITA, I really can't see how the other urban areas are making attainment every year. It will never go away, no resistance or current actions to get rid of it. I had a similar experience. When I took my car to the state-approved inspector to have the engine damage checked out, he "found" a previously non-existent transmission leak. At that point I sold the car for scrap. Basically that's what I had to do when the vehicle became underivable at some point soon after. I felt they were abusing it on the rollers in order to get their fail quota for the day, think they knew they did wrong when it filled up the bay with smoke/steam at the end of the test. Anyways you can't fight city hall once again on this one... Eeeee Check... Removing vehicles off the road, one at a time! :)

^^^ That is why it's more common in Ashtabula County, they can get away with that. .... Awaiting my garaged vehicle to turn 25 so I can finally register it once again.

I cannot view the video, but I believe this sort of activity (Mud Puppies) is more common in Ashtabula County. There is also a bumper modification Height Requirement that should be in all areas of the state, so I don't believe that is being diligently enforced.

I find a lot of the information on this program has been buried (ie: read somewhere this being set to expire in July/August of '15), but I could never find the source of this info. Probably heavy politics is involved, Envirotest allegedly was a heavy contributor to George Voinovich's political campaign funds at the time. How Fedor & Harris became their "Pit-Bulls" is unclear to me. After having my head gasket blown on site in one of the testing stations in 2000, I found the state of Ohio or Envirotest is not responsible for damage to your vehicle in a test facility, I was given a pass so I could have plates issued & could sit in my driveway when it was no longer drivable. I tend to only drive < 10K/yr & splitting this on 2 vehicles my vehicles tended to be on the threshold of non-compliance at test time. My "summer" vehicle had to be taken out on I-90 & opened up for stretches (neither safe or sane), in order to archive a pass. This is also a great inconvenience running for 30 day tags, taking off work for repairs, a burden to the elderly & low income, who likely this program is targeted to getting their vehicles off the road.

Yet Senator Fedor was opposed to raiding the Tobacco funds to finance this..... Published: Thursday, 4/7/2005 Ohio tobacco cash may be raided of $20M for emission tests BY JIM PROVANCE BLADE COLUMBUS BUREAU COLUMBUS - House Republicans plan to raid Ohio's settlement with tobacco companies to the tune of $20 million to pay for auto-emissions testing in the Cleveland and Akron areas. "We believe this has a similar goal," House Speaker Jon Husted (R., Kettering) said. "We are trying for clean air. We believe this is a health issue for northeast Ohio and an economic issue for the whole state."

As I was driving behind a vehicle belching smoke with FRANKLIN County (#25) plates in my home county of Lake yesterday, it reminded me of this unjust program in place. We can go back a few years & analyze the politics behind this wonderful program... it's only wonderful if you don't live in one of the 7 counties still in this. We in Lake county have the Lake as our air conditioner, are in a snow belt which cleans the air 6 months out of the year, yet the EPA's monitoring station was downwind from the Lake East Hospital ensuring a failing grade. FRANKLIN County is land locked in the Hocking valley, with now more vehicle registrations in it's urban area than the Cleveland area. This was to once again to have expired in August of '15, not sure what happened to keep the program in place. Senator Teresa Fedor slipping a rider into one of her bleeding heart human interest bills perhaps? I seen her on the PBS Ohio channel in action, she is great at this. I recycle my trash down to the water in my dehumidifier, yet I see the waste & inconvenience this program creates, I really don't want to bother anymore..... For you folks up in Northeast Ohio that don't purchase a Brand New vehicle every few years.. From the Archives, Real politics in action, strange that Senator Fedor thought this was so important slip in for the corner of the state she does not represent, yet she got her own constituents in the Toledo area out of the program several years earlier. A neat case of 'I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine', as we up in the northeast corner of the state are forever stuck with this biennial inconvenience, Senator Fedor goes her merry way & some how keeps getting re-elected (I bet she wouldn't if she would have done this to her own constituents) ... wonder if Envirotest is also on her list of her campaign contributors? A shame this was even bigger than Senator Grendell to fight off. The Columbus area forever exempt from this useful & wonderful program? I just don't get it at all. Well, just keep on 'drinking the Kool-Aid' up here & just keep on saying "at least we don't have to pay for it", but we do! If you oppose this program, remember Teresa Fedor or Bill Harris if they are ever running for a statewide office. E-Check renewal slipped into state bill as rider Published: Thursday, December 13, 2007, 9:17 AM Updated: Thursday, December 13, 2007, 9:26 AM By Peter Zicari, The Plain Dealer The Plain Dealer E-Check here to stay -- for now Auto emissions testing program was set to expire this year By Aaron Marshall Plain Dealer Bureau Columbus -- Northeast Ohio drivers will continue to be stuck with E-Check. That's the long and short of a last-minute amendment sought by Gov. Ted Strickland and included in a handful of bills that state lawmakers passed Wednesday in a flurry before leaving for 2007. With the contract for the auto emissions testing program set to expire this year, Strickland's staff had been looking for a way to extend it. They found it in House Bill 24, when Sen. Minority Leader Teresa Fedor, a Toledo Democrat, slipped a rider into the unrelated measure. Original Link: (& my apologies to ones toes I may have stepped on) "Sorry, you are not allowed to post external links." Yes this is old news, but thought it was some insight for the OP.