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Questions that are worth discussing - Other than a certain number of people marching down to a lakefront stadium for an NFL game - - would the land bridge even be used much? Maybe there’s a study that was done as to it’s l predicted actual usage ? II have doubts as to how successful it would be particularly in winter months- which realistically is close to half the year. What about its sustainability in terms of being a “beautiful” green space that stays beautiful in the heart of downtown? Maybe all these kinds of land bridge viability / reality check questions have been discussed in a public meeting previously - if anyone has a link to a previous article or video, meeting .etc - I’d love to revisit it/them.

How does the land bridge accommodate the very challenging weather of Northeast Ohio ? Isn’t it mostly a grassy knoll across the highway and tracks? Wouldn’t it be problematic in snowy and very rainy weather?

Thanks a lot Greg Brenda - irresponsible broadcasting - saying you’ll talk about the stadium during the 9:30 -10 pm segment - then completely blowing it off. Ridiculous

Wtam about to do a segment about the new stadium news - with Greg Brenda - 9:25 pm

That’s what I was wondering - why does the choice have to be renovated open air Versus new location dome? Maybe if the number comparison is something like 1 billion vs. 1.25 -1.5 For the new open air stadium on the east side of downtown - and you get to keep the team playing in Cleveland for all 3 years of the rebuild - maybe public opinion would shift. I REALLY find it ironic that the supposed champion - contending Browns with their new stud QB could possibly have one of its most exciting eras (hey, it’s possible) playing in another city. That’s a Nope 👎 for me.

So we’re going to spend north of one billion dollars to rebuild a new stadium on the same site which means Columbus will host the Browns for 3? seasons? And no roof? And we’re building new hangars at Burke? So much for a world class downtown lakefront experience in the future. . I think this plan will guarantee that Clevelanders will be sitting outside in zero degree games well into the 21st century - (if we keep the team that long.) For over a billion dollars…smh

Maybe it’s the same construction team that worked on the Hasawi building in Kent!

With Intro 2 coming next maybe 4 cranes?

How far along are they in the “latest” study to decide the fate of the Justice Center? My memory was that it was going to be a year/ long study and that’s got to be getting towards a year since we’ve heard anything about it..or am I wrong about this?

Thanks again @Ethanand all you cool kids who have given us so many great views almost daily. Just thinking that this particular photo really shows how massive those floor plates are - and just imagine how high this thing would’ve gone with a smaller floor plate - probably would’ve been the 2nd tallest in the city easily. Just sayin’ Meanwhile, the view just gets better daily - and that new skyline is coming into view.

I’ll take that too!

Gotta nerd out for a second - and agree, this is so much fun! Now, can we get @KJPto drop a bomb on us that Bedrock will be building a 600 footer at the Nucleus site just as SW is finishing?

Thanks for posting that again, @KJPIt really underscores the collateral impact of SW - so many lots and projects being affected so positively by that project- it’s easy to forget it’s reach. I’m curious as to what kind of “clean up” will be done on the exterior of “ The Rock” as the building is called by some. The article said they would like to keep aspects of the original design in the makeover - but specifics were in short supply. It is exciting to think of first floor retail and a vibrant street presence for this building and here’s hoping we get to see more specifics of what we all hope starts happening soon.

Is there a previous article with detail on the rehab that will be done?

Wonder if they can get a nice chunk of “Build Back Better Money” from that huge infrastructure bill.

Thanks for sharing that article @Boomerang_BrianI’m very interested to hear feedback from UO folk on various aspects of this story I’m not knowledgeable enough to know all the merits and/or detriments of this restructure - but one thing seems clear - there’s now a better chance, based on the information in the article, that this huge project can go forward. And if this building is given new life on this scale, it will obviously be a fantastic addition for the city.

The city should retain its development incentives at least for specific zones like Superior Avenue - especially in areas where new development would be transformative. Those townhomes do have great street presence - even some trees! - and just need more healthy company around them. And there’s no reason why a few shiny new higher rise residential buildings wouldn’t be just lovely.

Really enjoying all these great pics - not just of the new HQ, but all the cool perspectives of downtown. A few people have commented about how SW will block views of 200 depending on where you’re looking from - true, but any big city with lots of buildings has that nice problem. Conversely, there are some views that really expose a big gap in the skyline - like the top pic above by @MayDay- which are going to be dramatically improved by the new tower. The lower pic, shows how Euclid with its old beige stone buildings is sure going to feel modernized when all that new blue glass is installed at the new big building dominating the view. Lovin it!!

I really love @Mov2Ohio’s comments about some outside-the-box thinking for a new stadium. We tend to think in binary terms - either - 1) a new domed stadium would be extremely expensive, but is needed for the future of Cleveland as a major urban center OR 2) it’s extremely expensive and just not worth it. Let the Browns leave if they want..we’ll survive I’m hoping we might at least have some conversation about “How could we build a stadium that would have the most options for community usage year-round? Something that could really be more of an economic driver for the city on an ongoing basis. I get that we’ll never match L.A., Dallas, Atlanta and the biggest markets in terms of sheer glitz, luxury and size of their latest and forthcoming facilities. But with careful thought and ingenuity maybe “we” could create the most versatile and reimagined stadium - without completely blowing up the price. I do believe that’s actually what is being attempted at Progressive Field and probably, to an extent. was the case at RMFH. But football is so different from baseball and basketball. The sheer scale and relative infrequency of use has always been somewhat accepted. I’m sure this conversation has been had before - and that there are lessons to be learned from recent builds and other attempts. Especially from some of the smaller markets that have or are planning to build new stadiums. Cleveland’s socioeconomics obviously make it even more important to explore new ideas and options - especially when considering other possible mega projects we’d like to see happen - from park expansions to lakefront / riverfront developments and all the infrastructure challenges. Time for the creative folks to weigh in, at least, I’m hoping - Are there feasible ways and new ideas that could improve the productivity and frequency of use for a hypothetical new Browns stadium of the future?

It looks extremely modern. Really great mention, @sonisharri. Was that building constructed in 1968? With a renovation in 2019? When I looked it up to find out, both dates are listed. And that block doesn’t look like what I’d bet most people think of when they think of downtown Cleveland. Pretty chic and very contemporary ….Of course I know you guys knew that - but the average Joe from out of state - Maybe not…

Thanks, @GISguy Yeah that’s a very infrequently seen perspective of the city - man, will SW make a difference from that angle, too. Really shows the dominance of our beloved Key Tower as well. And can we get rid of the silos while we’re at it?

There, @KJP, I quoted you- we’re on the same page! Bravo on a gutsy article and a Vulcan-worthy display of logic. Maybe the Haslams don’t consider you Public Enemy #1 - but a great advance PR man in their “long game”. - for how well you articulate why the value of that lakefront parcel is actually much lower with the stadium sitting on it. My only fear in all this is that the unthinkable which we all swore could never happen - could actually happen again. If a frustrated and unsympathetic community and/or political leadership refuses to be “supportive” of a new stadium build - could that be the beginning of a courtship with a new pro football-starved city that would willingly build the Haslams what they really want? Let’s hope that the Haslams professed desire for a better Cleveland connection between downtown and it’s underdeveloped north coast shoreline is real - and not just a strategic and transactional position. Unfortunately, I have my doubts about their altruism once their money is on the table.

Plenty!! The steel is only about 25% of the way up - this thing ‘s gonna be pretty commanding in our skyline.

Big city vibes !