Evergrey

Exactly.

that is shocking :(

totally skimmed your list, my bad. And i totally agree with your statement. 20 years from now we'll sound like RockandRoller...(not a stab RnR) No offense taken. :) It just boggles my mind to think that anyone will be nostalgic for music of the 90s some day. I mean, I have heard songs by just about every group on c-dawg's list (well, there are a handful I've never heard of) and none of the more modern bands have made much of anything I've wanted to listen to twice. I've tried, I think some of us older people just have a different "sound" in our ears as to what music is. It's probably always been that way with the different generations. Obviously the Cleavers and I Love Lucy set couldn't figure out what was so great about classic rock, but I think the popularity of the better groups has stood the test of time for quite awhile. So much of the 80s was one-hit wonders and bad metal, there's not much to take from that and musically, to me, the 90s were just a blur, and the 00s had me just tuning completely out to anything "current" or popular as we got into the age of American Idol and everyone WAILING, and all the rock bands sound the same, and all the songs on their albums sound the same. I had to ride down to Hocking Hills last year with a co-worker who listens to nothing but stuff like Slipknot and Incubus and stuff like that and I swear every song sounded the same after awhile; all the singers sound the same, the songs have the same chord progression, it's just uninteresting musically or lyrically. I hate to feel like I'm becoming an old codger, but clearly I am. hey... i grew up in the 90s and I feel the same way... it's supposed to be "my generation's soundtrack"... but I could never identify with the vast majority of it and I rejected it... the major musical trends of the 90s seemed to be a devolution... going for the lowest common denominator with novelty and shock value.

fascinating stuff... NYC has so many facets

George Michael - "Faith"

A co-worker of mine back in Wooster used to talk about Youngstown's Brier Hill pizza all the time... what's the secret?

Historic Wheeling has such incredible urban fabric and architecture... I just feel that it isn't appreciated like it should be. How is the Centre Market doing?

any news on that large vacant industrial facility along 585? I believe it may have been a Rubbermaid facility?

http://blog.cleveland.com/business/2008/07/gm_gets_huge_tax_credits_for_l.html GM gets $82 million tax package for Lordstown expansion Posted by Robert Schoenberger July 28, 2008 18:47PM On the same day that General Motors announced it was cutting 2,000 jobs in Moraine, the state awarded the company more than $82 million in tax credits to guarantee a 30-year future for its Lordstown plant. The Ohio Tax Credit Authority approved a 75 percent reduction in GM's income taxes for up to 15 years to help fund a $317 million expansion of the plant, the largest tax credit award this year and possibly a record for the state. The biggest awards this year have been $30 million to Goodyear to keep its headquarters in Akron, $24 million to NetJets Inc. to keep its headquarters in Columbus and $18 million for Bridgestone Firestone to keep open plants in Akron.

beautiful photos of a beautiful part of the country

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121625840867860609.html GM Gives a Lift to Ohio Town's Fortunes Firm's Lone Small-Car Plant in U.S., A Rare Bright Spot Amid Slowdown, Adds Workers By JOHN D. STOLL July 17, 2008; Page B12 LORDSTOWN, Ohio -- The economy in this small industrial town in northeast Ohio has strained under the mortgage meltdown and the uncertain outlook for General Motors Corp., the area's dominant employer that has been losing money, shedding jobs and closing assembly lines around the country. Then on June 3, GM announced it will add a third shift of workers at its Lordstown plant to make more Chevrolet Cobalt compacts, whose sales have jumped as gas prices have soared. Even with GM's financial health still uncertain, the move will create 1,400 jobs and has helped boost the region's outlook almost overnight. "I thought I was going to pass out," recalled real-estate agent Yvonne Smith in nearby Warren, Ohio, who said messages began flooding into her cellphone after GM made its announcement. "It lifted the world off my shoulders. I said, 'This is exactly what we need to get this area going."' ... Write to John D. Stoll at [email protected]

what is the story behind that?

they sure like to pick on the Rust Belt... how bout Houston, Phoenix or Tampa?

Wooster - Olde Jaol great loaded potato skins

are there any Starbucks in Wheeling proper? I do recall seeing some cool-looking indie coffeeshops downtown.

anyways... I enjoyed Donato's when I was in Wooster... but I wasn't aware it was a national chain

Fiore's is very popular... some of my friends are fanatical about it... but I find the sauce a bit sweet. Never heard of Stockmano's. I like Angelo's (Bloomfield), Pizza Perfecto (Shadyside) and Harry's (McMurray; too far out for me to go though)

It was not a law, but a "gentleman's agreement".

Coccia House - Wooster

AK Steel investing $21M in Butler plant Pittsburgh Business Times - from Columbus Business First Read more: http://pittsburgh.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/stories/2008/07/21/daily5.html?surround=lfn

Or Niagara Falls?

Edison's looks chic.

nice job, MTS ;)

mrnyc: Do not use Firefox to view this thread :wink: Squirrel Hill is the city of Pittsburgh's largest neighborhood, and is located in the southeastern part of the city in "The East End". This thread will focus on the southern half of the neighborhood, south of Forbes Ave. and including the business district. The northern half of Squirrel Hill was featured here. Squirrel Hill is a large, leafy, affluent neighborhood tucked in between the city's two largest parks: the attraction-filled Schenley and the sylvan Frick. Carnegie Mellon University's campus is split amongst Squirrel Hill and adjacent Oakland to the west. Chatham University, a liberal arts girls college of 1,900 students, has a lush arboretum campus in the northern part of the neighborhood. Squirrel Hill's main period of development was as a "streetcar suburb" from 1890-1930, and its homes feature a wide variety of architectural styles. Squirrel Hill is well known for its strong Jewish community, with almost half of Greater Pittsburgh's Jewish population living in Squirrel Hill and surrounding neighborhoods. There are many synagogues, day schools, kosher restaurants, and other Jewish accoutrement . While the neighborhood certainly has a strong Jewish flavor, Squirrel Hill is quite diverse and international. It is popular destination amongst immigrants, college students and urban-minded people moving into the region. Its business district is one of the best and most extensive in Pittsburgh, catering to a wide range of needs, luxuries and tastes. There are restaurants featuring almost every cuisine, Kosher delis and eateries, full-scale grocer, cupcakery, coffeehouses, hardware stores, movie theaters, bike shops, ice creameries, etc. Southern Squirrel Hill has a wider range of housing options than the mansion-dominated northern half. While there are still many mansions in the southern half, there is also a lot of modest middle-class housing, duplexes and apartment buildings. The area is popular with college students, young professionals and young families. I-376 burrows underneath the neighborhood via the Squirrel Hill Tunnel. Also known as the Parkway East, this highway connects Downtown Pittsburgh with the eastern suburbs. near Schenley Park Downtown from the Schenley Park Golf Course business district yes... the building to the left of this photo is cow-print Rita's is euphoria Biketek and Charles Spiegel for Men our political messiah in chocolate form! believe it or not... this corner was a gas station a few years ago... today it's home of Clusty Urban Cupcake Phenomenon I love this building... houses Squirrel Hill's independent movie theater Taza21 is a shawarma cafe that just opened last week... fantastic! one of Pittsburgh's legendary coffeehouses the only urban Eat N Park (a regional 24-hour restaurant similar to Denny's and Perkins) you know you're living in a special neighborhood when you have a gluten-free bakery a row of architecturally bland commercial spaces descending Murray Ave. house a wide variety of ethnic restaurants this just opened up across the street from a vegetarian restaurant this building has everything you need such convenient housing the Morrowfield is a behemoth of an apartment building... with commercial spaces at street level... representing the southern terminus of the business district ah hell yeah Squirrel Hill's mainstream movie theater... which may be demolished in the near future for a 9-story mixed-use complex at the corner of Forward and Murray another versatile structure... bowling, Russian cuisine and an excellent pub some of Pittsburgh's most highly regarded pizzarerias are located here Norka is Akron backwards! Bangkok Balcony upstairs is fantastic Beechwood Boulevaurd, a very long and curvy residential street in the East End it's like walking through a dream condos there's like 25 of these apartment buildings here one of the many residential streets leading into Schenley Park Schenley Park... a day later this area would be the site of the Vintage Grand Prix the southern edge of Squirrel Hill... Homestead in the distance houses in the jungle the eastern portal of the Squirrel Hill Tunnel I-376 heading east towards Regent Square and Swissvale ... Now we feature a portion of Squirrel Hill known as Summerset at Frick Park... located in the southeastern part of the neighborhood Summerset at Frick Park is a new urbanist brownfield redevelopment... it is built on a 25-story slag heap that accumulated during the days of steel... there are currently about 200 single-family houses plus condos and duplexes... Phase II is under way with a projected total build-out of about 700 homes. It features a diversity in architecture, neighborhood swimming pool and alleyways in the back. There is no commercial component, but Squirrel Hill's business district is not far. climbing the slag heap the Nine Mile Run valley typical house multi-family it was a brilliant day recreation center Homestead's fascinating architecture through the dense haze looking down at Duck Hollow... a hidden sub-neighborhood more Homestead here's a really interesting view... the hulking blue structure in the distance emerging from the hillside... is Pittsburgh's first... and last remaining... blast furnace steel mill... the Edgar S. Thomson Works in Braddock... a few miles up the Monongahela River from Summerset. Built by Carnegie, it started production in 1875... and today its two blast furnaces account for 28% of U.S. Steel's domestic production. In the foreground are the big box stores of "The Waterfront"... a brownfield redevelopment across the river in Homestead... it was once the Homestead Works steel mill... where a famous labor riot occured in 1892. back to Summerset condos another view of Braddock's steel mill from higher up the hill Swissvale hillsides "aerial" shots of Summerset