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wasn't there recently a major fire here?

My guess is that Dayton functions as a significant regional economic node that is independent enough of the Cincinnati node to be considered its own Economic Area.

That seems odd, Cleveland as #1 seems right, but Columbus must have a very high per capita income because their metro population is only around 80% of Cincinnati's The population of the Cincinnati Economic Area, which is what mov2ohio is citing... was 2,263,564 in 2004 (most recent BEA statistics)... with a per capita personal income of 101% of the national average. The population of the Columbus Economic Area was 2,547,005 with a per capita personal income 93% of the national average. Cleveland's EA had 4,685,582 people and a PCPI 94% of the national average.

oh... i haven't heard "She's So Cold" in forever

great photos of Philly's "Touch of Appalachia"

Whoa... you even captured the "urban cupcake phenomenon" in action!

more rivertowns please

great shots of Metro Wheeling

I'm not a Stone fan... but "Miss You" is certainly one of my favorite songs by them... I've always loved those rare hybrids of disco and rock a la "I Was Made For Lovin' You" by Kiss

Cincinnati photos from a series of visits

Grubb & Ellis first quarter office market report for Metro Cleveland: http://www.grubb-ellis.com/pdf/metro_off_mkttrnd/cleveland.pdf Metrowide vacancy has been declining and is now at 18%, thanks in large part to the needs of the health care industry. CBD vacancy rate has declined to 19.9%. On a side note, I was shocked to see that Cleveland has almost twice as much office space in its CBD than Cincy's CBD... though both metros have almost equivalent amounts of total office space.... of course there may be differences in how a CBD is defined from market to market. I'm also suprised at how little Cleveland office space is defined as "Class A"... I'm not sure if there are hard and fast definitions for Class A, B, C and they may be variable across markets. Cincy http://www.grubb-ellis.com/pdf/metro_off_mkttrnd/cincinnati.pdf Columbus http://www.grubb-ellis.com/pdf/metro_off_mkttrnd/columbus.pdf Pittsburgh http://www.grubb-ellis.com/pdf/metro_off_mkttrnd/pittsburgh.pdf Detroit http://www.grubb-ellis.com/pdf/metro_off_mkttrnd/detroit.pdf no report available for Indy

but Kroger has such a cool skyscraper

how was i supposed to know this article would be posted in a thread titled "Cleveland to Pittsburgh rail?" in the Transportation subforum? lol

let me know soon so I can order my Amtrak tickets

http://pittsburgh.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/stories/2007/04/16/daily14.html?surround=lfn Life Sciences Greenhouse to collaborate with Cleveland counterpart Pittsburgh Business Times - 12:54 PM EDT Tuesday, April 17, 2007 by Jennifer Curry The Pittsburgh Life Sciences Greenhouse plans to increase its collaboration with neighboring Cleveland's life sciences organization. The Greenhouse and BioEnterprise in Cleveland plan to begin working more closely together to increase the connections between the two city's life sciences communities. Plans include connecting companies and universities together in both regions for potential partnership opportunities and reaching out to the national venture capital community together. In January, John Manzetti, president and CEO of the Pittsburgh Greenhouse, and Baiju Shah, president and CEO of BioEnterprise, attended an investment event together. For more information, click the above link. [email protected] | (412) 208-3820

Of course most Metro Pittsburghers don't work in the City of Pittsburgh... I've never said otherwise... but COMPARATIVELY speaking within the US... Pittsburgh and Cincinnati... along with Boston, DC, etc. have rather centralized regional economies where the core city... due to both a COMPARATIVELY strong job concentration and "artificially" small city limits... attracts a large amount of people that significantly boosts the daytime population number as a percentage of city residential population... Youngstown does not have a high daytime population increase because it is one part of a bi-nodal metro (Warren)... and has had obvious economic troubles in recent decades.

Then you're talking about some really small cities... the largest city in America to have a daytime population increase of 100% or more is Redmond, Washington... with a resident population of 45k. Redmond is one of only 5 cities in the country over 25k that have a daytime population increase of 100% or more... all of which are suburbs or "satellite cities" within major metropolitan areas. Below 25k... you're getting into suburban "edge cities" like Tysons Corners and King of Prussia. The only "real" core city of any significance that comes close to approaching a 100% daytime population increase is Greenville, SC... which is a very small core city within a metro of close to a million. It's daytime population increase is 98%.

I checked that out, and noticed that Cincinnati did in fact have the largest percentage increase in Ohio, but that would be expected considering the city is only 300,000 people in a MSA of 2 million (well, actually, that could be unrelated). Ditto with Pittsburgh. Still, both cities were only in the 30-40% range. I bet at the peak of Cincinnati and Pittsburgh, the daytime increase was close to 100%, maybe even more. Some cities in North America today still approach that... It was really interesting to see Columbus, Toledo, and Louisville lagging behind. At least they posted an overall increase though, unlike some cities...cough...cough...Detroit. It'd be really interesting to see how Dayton and Akron size up (smaller office markets). Anyone have numbers? Firstly, I highly doubt Pittsburgh and Cincinnati had higher "daytime population increases" as a percentage of city population at their respective "peaks"... which I assume you would define as sometime 100 years ago. This is because the core cities had much higher populations and the "suburbs" were much less populated. There was also much less mobility. So the cities would have had higher total daytime populations... but not higher daytime percentage increases. The concept of daytime population increase is very new... so there is no historic data. Secondly, no major city experiences a daytime population increase of 100% of more as you stated. The highest percentage increase amongst cities over 250,000 is Washington, DC... with a daytime percentage increase of 71.8. Pittsburgh ranks 4th, with a daytime increase of 41.3%. Cincinnati ranks 9th with 31% increase. Interestingly, Detroit has a daytime population increase of -0.1, effectively making it a bedroom community. ;) Having a high percentage daytime population increase is a function of being an "artificially" small city in a comparatively big metro... and having a rather centralized regional economy and strong employment base in the core city. Pittsburgh, with its 150,000 jobs downtown and the 3rd largest employment center in Pennsylvania in the Oakland neighborhood (universities, hospitals)... while only comprising about 15% of a metro population of about 2.5 million... fits this mold perfectly. Boston and DC are similarly situated... Cincy slightly less so. Cleveland and Buffalo, etc. are small cities within comparatively large metros... but have less percentage daytime population increases because their regional economies are more decentralized/suburban and their core cities play a comparatively smaller role in the regional economy. Detroit is a twice the size or more of Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, etc... but is still less than 1/5 the metro population. It is a very special case in that the regional economy has largely evacuated the core city... and more people leave the city for work than enter the city for work. The regional economy is clustered in a series of suburban edge cities that ring the outer stretches of the metro. Cities like Columbus and Indianapolis have comparatively small percentage daytime increases because they comprise huge areas and comprise nearly half the metro population. People working in Columbus are more likely to live within the gigantic city limits... and those commuting from outside have less of an impact on the daytime population because the city population is so much larger with respect to its regional economy. Daytime Population Changes for some Ohio notables: Akron 7.3% Athens 42.9% Beachwood 123% Blue Ash 209% Canton 19.4% Dayton 27.9% Gallipolis 94% Hamilton -2.6% Kent 0.5% Lakewood -28% Lordstown 201.4% (thank you, GM plant!) Mansfield 24% Marietta 49.5% Middletown 4.1% Perrysburg -10.7% Portsmouth 28.3% St. Clairsville 16.8% Salem 34.3% (MayDay's hometown!) Sandusky 9.7% Steubenville 37.4% Toledo 5.1% Warren 17% Wooster 37.1% Youngstown 15.4% Zanesville 32.4% http://www.census.gov/population/socdemo/daytime/2000/tab03.csv

The Wheeling Metro does include Belmont County, Ohio.

I said, stop kids.

This has nothing to do with the topic.

I only generate Canadian income.

whoa... I didn't realize this thread existed... yay for Wheeling... my favorite city!

I used to drive past that brick building all the time... how I miss it.

Sports Illustrated picked the Reds to finish SIXTH in the NL Central!