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Government buildings in the state capitol are going to happen. Get over the "helping the excitement problem". It's a huge part of the city's economy. The entire River South district, just two blocks away, has popped up out of nowhere as a mixed-use neighborhood in downtown. One government building next to an already existing cluster of government buildings - one of which is a prison - is not going doom downtown Columbus. The inferiority complex is getting old.

It probably doesn't seem like it carries that much height because it is directly next door to the 465 foot Franklin County Courthouse building. https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9525827,-82.9987376,3a,75y,319.74h,101.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smOIEU9Vt-px284FFW2TEzA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en It would definitely be great to get something built on that grass lot, especially if it's a building of substantial height.

I think the large footprint of that lot is what kept the height down. I wish it could have been broken up into two or three lots for different people to develop. I think the Edwards development is going to be a great addition to that stretch, but if we wanted height it was much too large. It's the same issue that happened at Highpoint and the Normandy developments on Long. When you have one developer working with that much land, they are not going to be very likely to go vertical. It just doesn't make financial sense. These developments are really equal to about a 12-15 story building with a footprint the size of a normal city block. Highpoint is actually probably closer to a 20+ story building.

I'm honestly still impressed it's going to be over 25 (assuming there isn't ANOTHER reduction at some point).

Surprisingly, this part of Columbus is more dense than any of those places.

These figures are pretty surprising to me, especially Block Group 11213 in Columbus with a density of 71,531. It's also surprising that all of the Block Groups in Columbus are more dense than all of Cleveland's (at least of the ones listed here obviously) and are more dense than most of Cincinnati's. I'm assuming the majority of these Block Groups in Columbus are focused around campus and the Short North? It's also surprising that the top Census tracts in Columbus outweigh the top tracts in both Cleveland and Cincinnati. These figures seem to suggest that Columbus is pretty top heavy in terms of high density in some areas being offset by low density in others while Cleveland is more even keeled across the board.

I'm not upset. I was simply questioning why you were comparing apples to oranges. It's all good.

If estimates are correct, and the current rate of change continues, Franklin and Cuyahoga should be pretty much equal in about three years.

I'm not sure walk scores can prove or disprove that one area is more dense or more urban than another area. I think any city that matured at the time Cleveland did is going to beat just about any city that matured during the time Columbus did in terms of walkability scores. Columbus is built for cars and, therefor, can hand much more density without improving walkability than a city like Cleveland could. Again, the whole conversation around density and what is more "urban" is very subjective. Two different cities can both be dense, or lack density, in completely different ways and you can measure it in completely different ways. As a result, we are pretty much going to talk in circles in the thread for all of eternity lol.

Oh I misread your comment, my bad.

It wouldn't surprise me if they changed it. Take a drive up 23 from 270 to downtown Delaware. It's pretty much completely lined with neighborhoods, offices, or strip malls. The suburbs are spilling out from there on either side and pretty much forming a continuous giant suburb from 270 to Delaware.

Interesting data, thanks for posting. I find it odd that the Short North received a "Walker's Paradise" classification, but the University District did not. The University District might actually be more walkable than the Short North due to the number of actual useful amenities (grocery stores and whatnot). Regardless, it's still interesting to look at. Pittsburgh definitely has a ton of walkability, likely due to it's hilly terrain pushing everything together.

What could possibly be gained by comparing the population density of the Columbus city limits to the population densities of Cincy and Cleveland? The situations are so different you can't even compare them effectively. Columbus encompasses 217 square miles of land while Cleveland and Cincinnati only encompass 77.

I wouldn't say Cuyahoga is much denser than Franklin County. As of the 2017 estimates, Cuyahoga's density was only 300/square mile greater than Franklin's, and that gap is closing quick due to rapid growth in Franklin and a slow decline in Cuyahoga. In fact, as of the 2000 census, Cuyahoga's density was 1,000 greater than Franklin's. So in 7 years that density gap closed by 700.

I'm guessing Akron's two-mile radius is as dense as it is because UA is practically downtown.

Yea, it's so bizarre. In Columbus I could mention Obetz to a person from Worthington and they might not even know that's a place in the city. Then, I will explain that it's next to Groveport (kind of) and they will say they've heard of Groveport but they aren't exactly sure where it is. On the flip side, if you are from Obetz or Groveport, you know where everything is in the northern half of the city. Another funny thing I've noticed in Columbus is that if I mention driving on 33 to most people, they assume I'm talking about driving on 33 between Marysville and Dublin. A lot of people don't even know 33 extends southeast from downtown going past Groveport, Canal Winchester, Lancaster, and all the way down to Athens/OU.

This is a good point. I don't believe you can assume a city will grow evenly in every direction assuming there are no significant barriers. In Columbus, you can drive about 8 miles to south and be in undeveloped farmland, but you have to drive ~25 miles to the north if you want to find the undeveloped farmland. Similarly, the suburbs extend further east in Columbus than they do to the west. Indianapolis, another city with little in the way of barriers, has a very similar layout. Columbus is actually kind of interesting, because you can essentially cut the city in half along 70 and have two fairly distinct cities. People who live north of 70 tend to be pretty clueless about anything south of 70 because they really have no reason to go down there. On the other hand, people south of 70 have to regularly travel north of 70 for work, shopping, or entertainment purposes. Regardless, it's always going to be very difficult to directly compare city populations because of how many factors go into determine populations and densities.

Not everyone working in the Short North is going to live close to a bus line and in a "urban" part of the city. Think about what most of the jobs in the Short North are. Most are retail workers, servers, cooks, bartenders, etc. that don't pay the highest of wages. As a result, many of the people won't be able to easily afford living in the Short North, Clintonville, Grandview, UA, Downtown, etc. I know it's easy to just tell people in Columbus to ride the bus, but for most of the city it's just not practical.

I recently stumbled across @AndySpessard on Twitter. He takes some amazing pictures of the city. If you are on Twitter I would highly suggest following him. Below are a few recent shots of his that are pretty cool.

I was in the Hamilton Quarter today. They are starting to pick up steam with the target development. Walls have started going up this week, though they have been doing some utility work for quite a while. They are also moving right along on the Fairfield Inn at the corner of Dublin-Granville and Hamilton. I also noticed they were doing some sort of drilling the "future development" zone between Hamilton and the Big Lots office. Hopefully we will start to find out what will be going in that area.

It's completely done? It looks really good, but what's with the light blue sections at the very top? That portion looks unfinished, but I can't tell for sure.

Not only that, but the nature of the buildings is much different as well. I would imagine, for example, 5 floors of hotel rooms would be more expensive than 5 floors of office space. Office space, especially today, is much more of an open floor concept with a couple of offices/conference rooms thrown in. Pretty simple. An entire floor of hotel rooms means more drywall, doors, plumbing, doors, decor, etc. Even an entire floor of apartment/condo space is probably cheaper than an entire floor of hotel rooms.

The additions for John Glenn International keep coming. Frontier is adding four-times-weekly flights between Columbus and Raleigh-Durham beginning May 1st. https://www.dispatch.com/business/20190107/frontier-to-add-flights-between-columbus-and-raleigh-durham Their are also rumors circulating that a direct flight to Amsterdam could be coming to Columbus in 2019 as well....not sure how substantiated the rumor is though.

Columbus Crew SC names Tim Bezbatchenko as President and announces Caleb Porter as Head Coach https://www.columbuscrewsc.com/post/2019/01/04/columbus-crew-sc-names-tim-bezbatchenko-president-and-announces-caleb-porter-head 2019 Season Ticket Memberships are now on sale https://www.columbuscrewsc.com/tickets/memberships The CrewSC hashtag is out and the Crew96 hashtag is back All systems are going for 2019.

Oh I gotcha. Yea I saw that plan and I really like it. Hopefully it can get done.