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You gotta risk it for the upvotes my man.

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Can't remember if this is technically Short North or Unviersity District....but the King & High Tower has been reduced by one floor, from 11 down to 10. Queue the outrage. I can't read the article, so I don't know what other type of info it has. https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/09/27/developer-shortens-proposed-tower-at-king-and-high.html?iana=hpmvp_colum_news_headline#i/11387055 This rendering still depicts the 11-story version.

That's assuming a drastic reduction in international migration does not come along with any changes in domestic migration or natural growth. So, for example, if OSU reduced their international student population to zero, it would open up a lot of room for American students to fill in which would bring in more Americans from outside Columbus or Ohio. If there was no international migration into Columbus taking up housing units, it would open units to people outside of Columbus and Ohio to come in. I understand your point statistically, but I'm not certain it would happen in reality. I would be interested to see how a city like Austin compares to Columbus in terms of international migration. I know their international growth is big, but I'm not sure how lines up with Columbus.

Why should it be concerning?

One thing to keep in mind re the foreign born students at OSU is that a decent number of them end up sticking around after graduation. So, while OSU certainly inflates that number, they aren't all necessarily lost after graduating.

This is exactly the info I've been looking for. Thank you! Until now, all I've ever seen people talk about was SPARC.

I've asked this multiple times before, and I'm not sure I ever got an answer, but are there any examples other than SPARC where Arshot proposed something big and then totally failed? To my knowledge, SPARC is really the only example. I'm not sure you can take the SPARC failure, and then project that onto everything else Arshot will attempt to do and say "they always talk a big game and then fail". SPARC was such a unique project (who builds a racetrack/auto testing facility essentially downtown?) that they were fighting an uphill battle from the get-go. Now, if there have been other big projects Arshot announced and then flopped on, you could pretty easily argue this is certainly a trend with them and we should never take anything they propose with any seriousness.

I like what OSU was able to do with this garage. The architectural design could use a bit of work, but the overall idea is good. It would be nice if Columbus State could attempt something similar.

I was looking for this render but couldn't find it, so thanks for posting!

Ok. You hate the project and prefer the surface lot. The majority of us are excited by the project while noting the few disappointing features. Let's move on. This is not going to doom the future of the city of Columbus.

If they can't build their 26-story, 333 foot tall, mixed-use tower to the exact specifications you demand based on your endless supplies of money, we should totally should just stick with what we currently have....which is this: I mean just look at that beautiful mixed-use surface lot. You can park pickup trucks, minivans, SUVs, you name it! This is certainly preferable to the 333 foot mixed-use tower that will not only be a great addition to our skyline, but will add to the vibrancy of the area. Look, I totally get your complaints about the changes from the original proposal to the current design. The fact that they held a design competition, picked a winner, and then allowed the winner to move forward with a totally different design is nonsense. The fact that the street level design appears to have been scrubbed to the bare bones is frustrating. The point is this project is still head and shoulders above most anything that's been built in the past 10 years. Yes, there are things to get frustrated with, but this isn't the project to lose your mind over. There are many others you could pick from.

Nobody told you to stay out of the development threads. We are simply explaining that this project, while disappointing us with a reduction in height, is still an excellent project for the city.

Go home, pour yourself a drink, close your eyes, and relax. Everything will be ok. Also, what does this have to do with transit?

Agreed. And the reduction in height isn't even going to drastically change the building's impact on the skyline. It went from a 400 foot tower to a 333 foot tower. Given it's placement relative to the rest of downtown, anything over ~175 feet would have been very noticeable.

Yep, a tower got reduced by about 60 feet, yet actually increased the overall square footage, which clearly proves to everyone that Columbus is just a loser of a city and will never have comprehensive transit because comprehensive transit is obviously related to 60 foot height reduction of a mixed-use tower. Go find JMan in the CU comments section and you two can have a pity party.

Nashville at least has Broadway which at least provides a bit of character, albeit very commercialized. They also have a few other nooks and crannies around downtown, though they are still behind Columbus. Austin has absolutely nothing and will likely age horribly.

I honestly don't want to be Nashville, and definitely not Austin. Austin's downtown looks pretty cool from a distance with all the new towers, but up close it's just a lot of bland expensive condo buildings. I much prefer downtown Columbus compared to downtown Austin as it stands today, and downtown Columbus will only continue to improve.

In terms of floor count, it's a 25% reduction. In terms of actual height, it's only about a 15% reduction. The updated design actually increases the density of the building, from what I can tell.

Delaware's downtown is very cool and pretty underrated in my opinion. Obvious pipe dream here, but how could would it be to have rail line starting at the northern end of Delaware's downtown and following 23/High Street all the way down to German Village. It will never happen, but it can't hurt to dream I guess.

I honestly like this new design better than the old one. I think it will mesh well will the surrounding buildings and it will look better than the skinny tower that was initially proposed. The height reduction is obviously not ideal, but it really doesn't concern me much. It will still have a great impact on our skyline, but more importantly the mix of uses will really impact the area in a positive way.

Update on the tower from Columbus Biz First: https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/09/24/developers-update-north-market-tower-plans-see-how.html?iana=hpmvp_colum_news_headline - Floor count down to 26 - Will top out at 333 feet - 90,000 sq ft retail - 150 residential units - 11,000 sq ft market space - 210 room hotel - 325 space garage - Construction to begin mid-2020 and wrap up late 2022 - Still has to go before the Downtown Commission and the city's Historic Resources Commission for review and final approvals

Yea, in my mind this is what it would take, and I certainly think it could happen given the massive size of OSU and the momentum we currently have downtown. I won't get my hopes up though. However, I do think it's a safe bet to expect quite a few more 20+ story towers popping up over the next few years.

I have a hard time believe we would get a 700 foot residential tower, but then again miracles can happen. We saved the Crew after all!

It wouldn't surprise me at all given the rate at which we are growing, but I think to go 700+ feet we would need a large company moving their HQ here. I don't see the typical mixed-use type developments going up over 700 feet without a large tenant.