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Doesn't that result in a run-off, though?

Sorry - I'll back off.... you guys sound mean and Hungary

There's a few areas where I thought PBS was well behind other venues: 1. Fan experience once you're in. There are two extremes to this - 1) Buffalo has a straight "football fan" atmosphere, with little to no frills and just same basic corporate sponsorships; 2) Atlanta has an entertainment venue, where you can essentially watch NFL red zone while also watching the Falcons in person. PBS certainly leans more towards Buffalo in this regard, with a lot of exposed concrete below each terrace - but IMO it doesn't play as well without a stadium design like Buffalo's. And the fight song should probably go or get some revision too lol. 2. The Banks are a cool area, which is a plus for the stadium. 3. I was there with some colleagues in a suite last year, and the people in front of us were seated in legitimate folding chairs. This wasn't wheelchair access, either - that section was to our right. 4. I haven't been to Landover, Tampa, Kansas City, or Foxborough - so I don't have a full sample size. But my overall impression is that PBS takes a modern design and then affords its visitors almost no modern amenities, which makes it all feel conflicted to me.

Waverly and Oak is above ground as of this morning

PBS needs it, badly. I've been to 24 NFL stadiums and, imo, PBS trails only Jax as the worst in the league.

The pedestrian-focused walkway looks great too

I share your concern to an extent. However, while the population of Cleveland as a whole is stagnant, the population growth of the adjacent neighborhoods is explosive. To your point, at least a portion of this business has to come from suburban folks... but I think the regular flow of business will be local residents. That population base wasn't available circa 2008-2010 when the Flats, E 4th, and Warehouse District were at odds and competing for growth.

"... I think you know how I do things." By far my favorite quote because, taken literally, it means a couple of things: 1) that he's going to extort and intentionally delay an adjacent, community-based project, or 2) that he's going to cure all pre-existing conditions with bone broth whilst pedaling alcoholic beverages.

His value add dropped a little bit with Winovich getting added. It would be nice though.

We should probably get back on topic - including myself - and talk about the Browns, not broader societal issues

I'm not so much defending the Browns - I personally didn't want DW on the team. I'm just highlighting the inherent hypocrisy related to our reaction to his signing. Which is a larger societal issue than just this single instance, imo.

I'm going to get backlash for this - but it's due to two things, imo: 1) Repeated abuses from athletes who think the law or societal etiquette doesn't apply to them; and 2) cultural pressures to be "all or nothing" in your stance on issues related to marginalized individuals. Emily Roggenburk loudly announced that she would no longer make Browns apparel, support the Browns in general, and that her company was dropping their season tickets. Moments later, I was scrolling her Instagram and found not one, not two, but three pictures of her with Jim Brown - one of which was at her shop for the launch of a new product. Even if the worst of DW's allegations are true - it comes no where near what Jim Brown did, which includes abusing a woman to unilaterally terminate a pregnancy. There are facts acknowledged by both the Plaintiffs and Defendant that are substantially mitigating. And then there's also the common sense look at the case which indicates that DW went into many of these massages with the assumption that more would happen. His alleged behavior is disgusting, inappropriate, and degrading to those women - and above all, objectively wrong. But the worst of the lawsuits don't allege that he was ever menacing, threatening, or caused any of the Plaintiffs to fear for their safety - he was just creepy and inappropriate. IMO, there are far worse individuals in the league - like Tyreek Hill - who's on the record abusing his wife and son, but that largely get ignored. Finally, and the most aggravating to me, is the fact that Deshaun Watson avoided being indicted by a grand jury twice. The fact of the matter remains, a black man - successful or otherwise - can get indicted in Texas for JUST. ABOUT. ANYTHING. So we can't on one hand pretend to know that every allegation is true, while ignoring mitigating facts, some of which are really important. Do I think Deshaun Watson believed he was entitled to sexual interactions with some of these masseuses? Probably. Do I think there are mitigating factors that we refuse to acknowledge because it isn't 100% in line with the "Believe Women" brand? Yes. Would I want my daughter/friend/etc. to date Deshaun? No. We have SOOOO MANY worse individuals and acts right in our face that we blissfully ignore, until an issue becomes a cultural phenomenon and we're forced to signal our position on it outwards.

FWIW - my father-in-law hasn't been to a game since Kaepernick... kept his tickets though. I'm not sure if he remembers why he's even angry

Not trying to get in an argument - just trying to have a discussion. I know this is a longshot and not likely. But assume that DW is never convicted of anything related to this, and all of the civil suits against him end in his favor (not settlement, but either voluntary dismissal by the plaintiffs or a trial resulting in favorable verdicts to DW)... Would that change your opinion?

And we just walked by the Jim Brown statue and smiled every game day...

Yeah - exactly lol. I hate OTAs

In all seriousness though, I'm not a guy that ever thinks its a good idea to miss OTAs. But I'm not sure the Browns would even let him in a huddle at this point.

Respectfully disagree... An OTA isn't going to affect his trade value or impact how a team already views him. At all. He has 1,000+ snaps on film. What it may do is get him a new injury or aggravate a recently surgically repaired shoulder.

I'm not a Baker fan, but I have no clue why he would show up. Also.... *****whispers***** .... a healthy Browns team can win the Super Bowl...

We recently sold our old condo in Ohio City to empty nesters. In fact, the buyer's friends own condos downtown solely for the weekends and big events, and live in Chardon during the week

i love how Christie's is featured prominently as the jewel in the crown

Nothing - the design provided by @downtownjoe looks really cool. As I noted, I was just having a tough time wrapping my head around what a finished product would look like

I'm quite confused. It's on my walking route with my dog, so I pass it every day. I figured the little entry way to the right may indicate that an elevator is needed for someone with a disability, which would make sense as a one level house. What I can't get past is the pitch of the roof which, as @Cleburger points out, looks like an Arthur Treacher's or Pizza Hut. I hope the exterior will make it look better, but the shape of it all is still wild to me.

I know we don’t want bland / cookie cutter homes in Ohio City - but it’s REALLY hard for me to wrap my head around what’s going on here on W 48th

I envisioned it being some sort of multi-modal hub, which offers bike, scooter, segway, paddleboard, kayak, etc. rentals.