snakebite

Agreed. There is actually quite a few unique things about this compared to your typical malls/retail centers in terms of the combination of the tenant mix, location etc.

Interesting. Personally speaking the discount retail outlets interest me but they seem to be making more of an effort than usual with their food beverage offerings than at their other centres. Can't say the usual Subway, Great American Cookies type fare was going to do much for me. The building design and the mix base of the tenant offering looks far more like a lifestyle center than your standard old skool mall.

I expect they will attract the usual name brand discount retailers quite easily. I'm intrigued to see what sort of bar/restaurant/entertainment offerings they can muster.

Hypothetically speaking, would the music venue be capable of hosting the NFL draft?

This is becoming almost as fantasifull as cityblock.

Whole thing screams to me pie in the sky. Next to no substance so far.

I've just read that press release and it seems like they are going to dedicate a lot more space to food/entertainment than their other properties typically receive. It almost strikes me as an outlet style lifestyle center looking at the updated renderings and the way they plan to divide up the space. Would a Yard House, Dewey's, Smashburger or Dave and Buster's be any different to what we'd expect to see at the Nucleus? Obviously it's a much more suburban/family geared setup than Nucleus but I can't imagine there would not be some crossover in the tenants they'd seek to attract.

I've been in that outlet mall twice and its superb and always busy, literally a five minute walk to Canal Street. It attracts a lot of local shoppers in addition to tourists. Obviously it would be more of a tourist heavy destination than Cleveland, but at the same time its jammed right at the back of Downtown NOLA unlike this which will have quick access to the interstate which is a bonus for attracting locals and less hassle that trudging through busy streets to say Tower City. The NOLA Riverwalk was a guinea pig for Downtown Outlets IMO and its passed with flying colors, IIRC its completely leased out. The acid test now will be if they can survive and sustain in less tourist friendly markets as tourists are always willing to part with their cash. This will still attract out of town visitors as well though to be fair I'd imagine because its downtown, next to attractions and easily accessible from a major interstate. The conventional mall/retail center market is saturated, but as far as outlets go Aurora Farms is a bit of a drive from the city so I'm more confident this can work. I expect the food/beverage offerings will be typical mall food court type offerings based on their other centres, but I'm hopeful they can attract big name stores to it. I would definitely use stores such as Tommy Hilfiger, New Balance, Under Armour, Ralph Lauren, Levis, Adidas etc (awaits abuse for my taste). Even a Nordstrom Rack type store could work well there, theres one of them in the New Orleans Riverwalk. My biggest fear will be that its a cookie cutter cheapskate design, although I'm hoping they up their game here as it isn't their usual outlet mall dumped in the suburbs/middle of nowhere job, and if they do it right, it can easily be a flag bearer for their company. I'm not concerned about Tower City. Wouldn't surprise me if in a years time that the retail aspect of that is completely gone. What I'm intrigued about though is if this will affect the retail/food & beverage options that Nucleus would potentially hope to offer? Some of their larger outlet centres seem to have some bigger name stores such as H&M as opposed to flat out outlet stores. At one point I was extremely sceptical if this would ever happen. It was first announced in July 2016.

Is this still going in lot 27 with the intention of a future mixed use project still in lot 24?

Will the music venue have any retail space or the like?

As much as I can't go most major chains, I don't think a Starbucks or Dunkin type coffee place would hurt the Banks.

Finally feel optimistic that we'll see this project come to fruition. Hopefully it gets completed by the 2021 NFL Draft.

I'm fine with this. A second tier soccer league is going to struggle to get better than this in a market as big as NEO and it fills an otherwise barren area.

It was already reduced to seasonal though was it not? I'll wait and see, but feels like the aircraft issues just give them the necessary excuse to exit the market.

Icelandair gone?

The renderings are definitely improved from the previous shoebox design with the addition of the glass and the cantilever roof. I'm not fussed. Traditional retail is a struggling market, but outlet stores don't require the same wealth base that department and designer stores require. Infact, where is the nearest outlet mall, 30-40 miles from downtown? I think it would do alright and it would also get passing trade from i90. I've been to Ohio Station Outlets down in Columbus a few times lately on Sunday afternoons and its been pretty active, whereas I also described on here recently that on my most recent visit to a more traditional yet newer "mall" in Crocker Park on a dry Saturday afternoon it was pretty dead. The location is a bit cut off from the core of downtown however, IMO.

I don't go there often either when in town, but when I was last at Crocker Park, a late Saturday morning in March, it was very quiet.

I like visiting Nashville. Broadway is awesome and theres plenty to do. The traffic was surprisingly very bad in my experience however. Horrendous compared to similar sized metros I've been in such as Indy and Columbus, and its not like its got the excuse of being a coastal city where access can only come from one direction. Not sure I'd enjoy living there because I spent significant time in commuter filled traffic jams.

In a petty sort of way, because of what they have done to Cleveland since the merger, but also being unsatisfied with the product, I deliberately boycott United. I fly Jetblue on the Boston route but Delta is a better product anyway for people wanting long haul. It'll be the few remaining p2p routes that'll get culled next and all that will be left of United in Cleveland will be service to their hubs. Also I don't get why they'd cut Boston then re-introduce a bunch of others. Boston is a strong p2p, Delta have been expanding there and its also a gateway to Europe. Milkwaukee was cut as well. What would the growth be? Would it be new routes or just frequency increases as well? I don't see west coast stuff that can't maintain daily frequency. Other midwestern cities that are just as easy to drive to? I'd then say probably Vegas/Florida seasonal, if you ask my apathetic self. That said, Delta have done a u-turn of sorts with Cincinnati and restored some routes (also maintained TATL throughout the cuts), but we'll wait and see.

Interesting, I know that area is rife with chains, albeit I can't think of any chicken ones. Raising Cane's is decent enough. Its above KFC/Popeyes but I'm not sure its quite at Chick fil a level... Their restaurants are certainly not grubby, well the dozen or so I've been in weren't, and some of them were mature locations down in Louisiana.

Not sure if already posted, but I've heard Raising Canes want to put their second Cleveland area location in the now defunct Bob Evans space on Detroit?

The offense is sorely missing a big target man. That should be Gordon, but yet again, the Browns will probably be spending a high pick on a receiver next year. Not impressed by Njoku at all in year two either.

Don't drop f-bombs or call people p-ssy's on UO. -x

The kicker needs to go, but even if he hits that XP, theres a lot of time left to drive into field goal territory. Hue needs to go. The record speaks for itself. Despite all the money spent and the high draft picks, the offense still looks average to me. I wouldn't throw Baker in there. You've got Landry, and Callaway is okay but still raw. Thats it. The mentality of the whole organisation needs to be more ruthless.

Wheres the line of bidders who have been forming a queue to buy this land prior to this? Outlet malls are different to run of the mill retail, they're a destination and will attract people from the suburbs looking for a bargain as opposed to driving to places like Aurora Farms or Lodi. They are not the same as conventional malls because you don't require people to have the same disposal income when shopping at discount off shots. I travel to New Orleans regularly and they have a booming outlet mall downtown, funnily enough on the riverwalk. Its not the discount stores that are struggling, its their parent companies and their main stores. Nordstrom is a perfect example of that. My main concern would be the design of the property as I have absolutely no doubt this will be built on the cheap, but yet I also feel that any residential or commercial property would also be cheap identikit box design crap. At the moment I struggle to see a future for Tower City in retail. Its too reliant on traditional retailers.