pontiac51

You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about. Belichick inherited a team that was 2 yrs removed from the AFC title game. The Browns had the skilled players in place, but also had a poor O-line. Instead of rebuilding the O-line, he ran Kosar, Slaughter and Langhorne out of town. Belichick made the playoffs one time in 5 yrs, and because of the hatred of the Browns he created when he released Kosar, he was one of the reasons the Browns left for Baltimore. So the bottom line is that Browns’ fans got the raw deal, not Belichick!!

Cleveland’s CSA also gained Ottawa County because Sandusky’s MSA now includes Ottawa County along with Erie County. So now the Cleveland CSA extends to within 20 miles of Downtown Toledo.

Cleveland’s MSA gained Ashtabula County.

It could also mean that the Cleveland MSA is now much larger.

Your take is embarrassing when you compare Ohio State to other schools, especially Nebraska. OSU has had very few losing seasons in the last 60 years! That’s because Ohio is a football-rich state in terms of high school talent, along with the fact that in the last 20 yrs or so Ohio St is ONLY northern school that is capable of winning a national title. Anyone who coaches OSU is going to get around nine wins. I’m not saying Day should be fired, but the jury is still out on him. He inherited Urban Meyer’s program; not only the players/recruits but also the coaching staff as well. Like Harbaugh said, Day started off on 3rd base. Most coaches would have done well in that situation, so maybe you should hold off on putting him in the hall of fame!! The bottom line is that the hiring of Day is going to turn out to be a mistake. He had no ties to OSU or the state of Ohio, other than the few years he was an assistant under Meyer. This may not be fair, but his overall record doesn’t matter when you get your a$$ kicked by Michigan 2 yrs in a row, especially when his 3 predecessors lost 2 times in 20 years!! Hopefully Ohio St finds another coach in a few years, because Day was a bad hire!

Here’s an article about possible NFL expansion cities, including Columbus. https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10039102-eight-cities-that-would-be-perfect-spots-for-nfl-expansion.amp.html

TV market size is the only metric that matters when it comes to pro sports, and Cincinnati is the third largest in the state. Having said that, I think the NBA would work well in Cincy, though there are several cities that would get expansion franchises first.

This is just a dumb, ignorant, asinine comparison. Toronto is Canada’s New York in a country in which the population is less than the state of California. If Toronto was an American city, it would have developed differently simply because there are many other large cities in this country. Toronto has benefited because there are only a handful of large cities in the 2nd largest country in the world in sq miles. It’s astonishing that you don’t realize this.

Before 2003, Cleveland and Akron were in the same “metro area”. I can’t remember if it was MSA, CMSA or PMSA. All I know is that Cleveland’s listed metro population was around 2.8 million. After 2003, it down to 2.2 million because Akron was removed. I’m pretty sure that most posters on here know that the makeup of these CSAs/MSAs/Micros are determined by the OMB. But apparently you don’t realize that local officials do have their sayso. In other words, Cleveland and Akron will not merged into a single MSA without the blessing of Akron officials. So yes, there are politics involved.

While I agree that Wadsworth is an Akron suburb, it’s in the Cleveland MSA.

The problem with your statement is that Macedonia, Twinsburg, Northfield and other cities in northern Summit County are Cleveland suburbs. This is what happens when metro areas are defined by county lines, which is the dumbest way that I can think of. The bottom line is that there is so much overlap between Cleveland and Akron, in reality they are in same metropolitan area. The reason they are in separate MSAs is because of politics. In other words, Akron officials don’t want there city to be seen as a Cleveland suburb. My guess is that these same officials would have no problem if Canton was merged with the Akron MSA and thus becoming an Akron suburb!! It’s funny how that works!!

All of those QBs you mentioned had elite talent around them and great coaching. Mahomes and Roethisberger were drafted by playoff contending teams. Baker was drafted by the winless Browns who since 1999 have been the worst team in pro sports. He since has had 4 head coaches, at least 3 off coordinators and one of the worst defenses in the NFL. This year he has lost his best WR, RB, TE and O-lineman, and the defense has been riddled with injuries and some of you people are wondering why he isn’t an “elite” QB? Some of you people are amazingly ridiculous!! After all the Browns are 8-3 not 3-8!! Take a chill pill. Please!!!

Again, especially from a cost standpoint, why would the city EXPAND the airport when when the current facility is severely underutilized? And the fact of the matter is that the airport has gained a decent amount of new service since the hub closure. Haven’t you been paying attention?

Why in the world would the city go for an airport expansion when there isn’t nearly enough air service to support the terminal we have?!

I’m still trying to figure out what the mayor’s treatment of the media concerning his nephew has to do with whether or not SW stays downtown. Remember, Frank Jackson has always given the media a cold shoulder. This is nothing new. Meanwhile, a decent amount of development has happened downtown during his 12 years in office. I think it’s time for the author Mr Larkin (the author) to retire. He’s been doing this sh*t for too long!!

^^^First of all, I still haven’t figured out how the impressive development along Woodward Av has anything to do with Euclid Av. Secondly, anyone who thinks that Woodward Av has more activity than Euclid Av than Euclid Av obviously hasn’t been to either city!! Euclid Av, from downtown to midtown to UC is way way more active than Woodward Av. It’s not even close at this point!!

Why is everyone worried about Nashville? I just don’t get it!!! Cleveland has had a great deal of development over the last 15 years or so, but it’s been renovations/restorations instead of new structures. And now that the restoration material is almost used up, there are several new towers in the works. In some cities, there is a lot more to development than the number of cranes in the sky!!

First of all, Frank Jackson’s primary job is to do what’s best for Cleveland, not Akron. Second of all, suggesting that Mayor Peduto or former Mayor Coleman would be better on a regional basis is ridiculous because neither Pittsburgh nor Columbus have a city like Akron in their backyard, 30 miles away in an adjacent county.

What you fail to realize is that while the populations of Cleveland and Akron have declined over the decades, the suburbs between them along the rt8/rt91 corridor have grown a great deal since the 60s. The Cleveland suburbs of Macedonia, Twinsburg and Aurora have grown significantly since the 60s. So have Hudson, Stow and Streetsboro. Cleveland and Akron, because of this growth, are now more connected than ever!! So your point about Cleveland having a population of 800000 decades ago and 350000 now is totally irrelevant, and the census has this one DEAD WRONG!!

These metro areas (CSAs/MSAs) aren’t merged without local buy-in, no matter what the commuting patterns say. In other words, for Cleveland/Akron to become a MSA, Akron officials would have to agree to this. If Akron were become part of the Cleveland MSA, it would essentially become a Cleveland suburb (in many ways, it already IS a Cleveland suburb), and I’m pretty sure that many Akron officials would have a problem with that. Remember, the Summit county line comes within 10 miles of Downtown Cleveland. All of the cities in Summit County north of the turnpike are factually Cleveland suburbs, not Akron suburbs. The bottom line is that everyone knows that Akron is a part of Greater Cleveland. I think we sometimes get too caught up in these MSA definitions. They are so inconsistent defined across the country, that they’re basically useless in comparing metro areas. At least CSAs are more consistently defined, although many are too broad.

This has nothing to do with market size. The teams in New York, Chicago, Washington, Dallas, Phoenix, Atlanta and other larger markets have largely been irrelevant for years. Golden State was nothing for decades until recently. The problem with the NBA is that only a handful of teams have a chance to win a title. And there’s nothing the league can do when punks like LeBron want to form a superteam!!

The presence of the national park has nothing to do with why Cleveland-Akron isn’t a MSA. Furthermore, the area between the two cities along the I-271, SR8 and SR91 corridor has a decent amount of development (take a look at a satellite picture). SF-SJ, LA-Riverside have contiguous development between them but yet they aren’t MSAs. On the other hand Franklin County (Columbus) has two adjacent counties, Madison and Pickaway, that have no relationship in terms of development to Columbus but yet they are part of Columbus’ MSA. So the bottom line is that these MSA definitions have nothing to do with contiguous development. They have everything to do with politics and to a lesser extent, commuting patterns. And because there is so much overlap between the Cleveland and Akron areas in northern Summit and Portage counties and SE Cuyahoga County and southern Geauga County, the CSA would be a more accurate way of measuring the GDP. Using the MSA in THIS region just isn’t accurate. It’s a joke!!

Comparing Nashville to Cleveland and Cincinnati is just asinine because over the years both of the Ohio cities have had old structures that have been converted into residences/hotels. Nashville, on the other hand, is mostly building new structures. And while Columbus’ new construction projects apparently aren’t on Nashville’s level at this point in time, there is obviously a great deal of development going on, especially downtown. And each of the 3C’s have bigger and taller skylines than Nashville. And BTW, what’s going on in Nashville is impressive.

Should I read these sentences as if you're screaming? It's fun so I think I will. Not screaming. Just pointing out some basic facts. That’s all!!

So if we get to just make up what MSA's we like, can I say that Columbus includes Dayton and Toledo? Cincinnati can have Indianapolis, maybe? I guess you weren’t around when God passed out common sense!!! The bottom line is that there are cities in Akron’s MSA such as Northfield, Macedonia, Twinsburg, Sagamore Hills, Aurora and others that are FACTUALLY Cleveland suburbs. Akron is only 39 miles from Downtown Cleveland in the next county. So for you to suggest that Columbus/Dayton (75 miles) Columbus/Toledo (140 miles) and Cincy/Indy (100 miles) would be in the same boat as Cleveland/Akron shows a level of incompentence and cluelessness that I’ve rarely seen!!! Furthermore, what you fail to realize these govt definitions are very political. The reason that Cleveland and Akron are not in the same MSA Is because Akron officials don’t want to be part of the Cleveland MSA, pure and simple. It has very little to do commuting patterns or any other metric. The fact of the matter is that Cleveland and Akron are in the same metropolitan area, and is by far the largest in Ohio. Twinsburg is in the middle of nowhere! I wouldn't call it a suburb. Any municipality where I've gotten lost and had to ask for directions from the little old lady at the cracker barrel gift shop, couldn't possibly be considered a suburb of any place. Seriously? Twinsburg is bordered by Solon to the north, Aurora to the east, Hudson to the south, and Macedonia to the west. All these cities are Cleveland suburbs. Twinsburg has easy access to Downtown Cleveland via I-480 and is close to I-271 and I-80. It is far from being in the middle of nowhere. You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about!!!