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I think it needs more....oh never mind. We got a building. Yeah.

If this project keeps shrinking by the time it's built it will consist of an 800 square foot studio apartment. But man...with a great location like that l would expect it to rent out fairly quickly.

Plusses all around. Federal dollars, green energy, greening up old industrial sites, new jobs. Great, just great.

Can someone tell me how to get autocorrect to work?

It seems to me that investing time, energy and money to bring the rail line 98% of the way to Tower City only to end up in a cheaper but inconvenient location is a waste of a great opportunity. It's like putting rail stops in out of the way locations because it's cheaper. If you're not going to put something in a position where it can be successful then don't bother. This kind of short sighted thinking is just stupid.

If we get half of that l'll still be pleased.

People can argue for or against this particular idea but count me on the side of regionalism in some form. I think it's a crime and a complete waste of money to have so many little cities with all their redundancies. I'm also in the group that thinks we won't change much, if at all. We are a selfish people.

Rather than building an expensive tunnel wouldn't it make more sense to re-route the trains around downtown? Sure it will also require expanding lines and probably updating existing lines but doing that has got to be cheaper than digging a tunnel.

Alright. I re-read the article. You wrote Bibb was looking at ways to revitalize the lakefront ala Mayor Campbell after Mayor Jackson tabled Jane's work. The rest of the article talks about re-routing the freight trains away from the lakefront. Putting the two together l thought Bibb was behind this new attempt. And if a re-routing were to require the Feds to sign off l assumed a little help from some of our reps. in Washington would help. If that's not what you meant then l don't know.

Great to see Bibb is on board with an attempt to move freight traffic off of the lakefront. I would imagine it's going to take more heavy lifting by our reps. in Congress to find the funding to pull this off. If so, what's your best case timeline, 10 years?

Man, l just can't get over how cool those building reflections look. We weren't expecting that, we're we?

I think the Geis plan needs tweaking right to the waste basket. That's my defination of tweaking.

That makes a lot sense.

Oh it's definitely worth it. Investment is better than disinvestment.

The problem with such a massive development is it will also take a massive amount of dollars and a massive amount of time. Better than the ulternative l guess.

^ The real benefit of this plan would be all the ancillary development that will not happen on its own without the stadium to drive it. It's that development that makes this a great idea, not the stadium. Of course it's not happening without the stadium so if want the whole enchalada we have to pay for and build one very expensive stadium.

Great, great reporting Ken. A lot of detail there. This is something l have been thinking about for years. It checks sooo many boxes. Opens the lakefront for a massive park, creates a mini- downtown, gives the city a domed stadium while at the same time after the old stadium is torn down that site can be used for even more lakefront development. All of that brings more residents, energy, possible corporate hdqs. and new tax dollars to the city. With one decision we turn a huge piece of property that has been vastly underutilized into one that propels Cleveland up the ranks and on to the list of great American cities.

Hot damn! That's a lot of support for a lot of projects. Almost makes me want to re-visit my very negative opinion of state government...then again, if l start with gerrymandering and move to the HB-6/First Energy/PUCO boondoggle that's enough right there. So nevermind. Still don't look favorably upon our state government.

Well that's it then. This forum has determined that Haslam will not be allowed to build in Brook Park. Excellent! I love it when I get my way. What's next on the agenda?

^ Very exciting news here. Glad to see the George project in the Flats moving forward as it extends the activity along the river. These tax credits are such an important element for not only preserving older and obsolete structures but at the same time they can be the difference between something getting done and nothing getting done. Seeing all the positive results around the state you'd thing the government would be encouraged to up the dollar amount available.

^ Sure, and l would argue that the energy lobby is part of that reationary response. The politics of "Energy" is usually divided with fossil fuels on the reationary side and renewables on the progressive side.

We tried to show the world what is possible placing wind turbines in fresh water. Reationary Ohioans said "No!"

Ohio seems to have a negative image nationally. Boring, not a lot of natural beauty, closed factories, grey skies and harsh winters plus conservative politics. Those of us who live here know those impressions are filled with a coastal bias. The midwest in general has to fight nagative perceptions from the rest of the country. Having a deep red state government certainly doesn't help. Red states, other than Texas and Florida, usually perform poorly on most economic metrics. If we want to change our image perhaps we should start with our politics and vote out the Republicans who have a stranglehold on state policies.

PS will never reach its full potential as long as it remains open to bus traffic. And that won't (can't?) change without an act of Congress lol. But seriously, our hands are tied here and that's too bad. There are several iterations of the Square most of us on this forum could offer up without much effort that would be an improvement over what's allowed by the parties in charge. So were stuck with a better Square but our hands are tied and as long as the status quo exists we have a park that will never be what it should be.

What l meant was a developer to re-purpose the old Ferry Cap building vs. tearing it down and putting up something new. My comment was in reference to @originaljbw saying it could have been another Fairmont Creamary if the building was saved rather than tearing it down. In other words "Gotta have a developer willing to do that."