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@zbaris87when you say massive do you mean the reputation of the hotel company is massive or do you mean the size of the building will be massive?

Nice news about using the funding for programming activities. I've lost track of the barriers on the square. Last l remember was they were slated for removing. Is that supposed to happen this year, next year or never?

Yes but maybe @conefloweris talking about the time when newspapers had legions of reporters which allowed for them to do real reporting and editors who demanded truthful articles. That's not the case today and so what we get is limited reporting and examples like the "dubious" comment. The only dubious reporting here is the weak PD.

Thank you for the article on the Port. I understand that compared to the major coastal ports we are small potatoes but expanding shipping options here as well as the entire Great Lakes is an underrated componant of the Midwest economy. One of the things that puts a smile on my face is seeing a couple of salties docked at the same time. Our Port is something that set's us apart from that juggernaught building in Columbus.

Looks like there is still a ways to go before the Neuro building is topped off.

Love the density.

I love my city.

Good one.

Oh man, the original school would have made for great re-hab rentals

Again no Jethro Tull.

Do you have a link or more info? This is the first l'm hearing about population gains for us.

Is the PD still in the news business?

I didn't say necessarily build it on the present site. I said build it downtown. We should be debating the central location, cost and design. Building it miles from the core is contributing to sprawl which should not be encouraged.

Reading through some of comments here it occurred to me that a lot of you have forgotten who you are. We come on this forum because we care about development in the core of our region. That's why most of the topics revolve around downtown and UC with a little Ohio City, Tremont and Detroit Shoreway thrown in. We don't care about the latest office park in Westlake or Mayfield. We don't care about that new housing development going up in Avon. If we did we would be talking about it. We get all excited about the new SHW building but if we really think about it it's not so much the building (cool as it is) but what it means for the health of downtown. We want to see the core developed. We don't want sprawl. So why are some of you ok with taking a major downtown assest and moving it somewhere else in the region? It would be one thing if we were booming. We could afford to dilute our strength. But we're not booming. Oh we have improved from the F grade we earned at our nadir to probably a solid C. But make no mistake, if you travel like l do and see what is happening elsewhere you will understand that a middling city like Cleveland cannot afford to make mistakes like this.

I can see the benifits of moving off the lakefront IF it is then fully developed with a landbridge connecting to a large residential/bar/restaurants/recreational area. That is actually a better use of valuable lakefront. But, that only works for me if the Browns then build a new stadium downtown. The biggest problem with moving out of downtown is it dilutes regional activity. Every dollar spent in Brookpark building hotels and restaurants, every dollar spent in those facilities is money not spent downtown. If we were a growing area the loss would not be significant. Business would not be harmed. But at this point we are not growing and moving activity/dollars to Brookpark will hurt downtown hotels and existing restaurants. It also hurts the Flats. In spite of the billions invested downtown and there have been successes, downtown is still struggling. The jury is still out. If you care about the life of downtown this is not the answer.

I'm having sticker shock at that price. I could see it for MSL team but that's a lot of money for a minor league stadium. Or maybe l'm still living in the 70's.

I don't know about this paticular group but the rowhouses on the adjacent corner of Columbus had an end (southern) unit for sale a year ago that l looked at. Really nice with great outdoor space overlooking downtown and the river traffic. Anyway the owner was asking $499,000 which was doable for me but the taxes scared me off. Somebody bought it but with this new construction l bet it's now closer to $600,000. I really wanted to live there but...oh those taxes.

@chrino21is absolutely correct. The best way to connect the old Wharehouse District with the modern headquarters is with a transitional design and materials that merge the two. It wouldn't be difficult or expensive either. All it would take is an esthetic that is sensitive to the properties. Fingers crossed.

I just read Ken's article and when l saw their Dollar General holdings a red flag went up. As @Forakersays, watch out for how the building is maintained. It's bad enough that these once mighty properties seem to be past their sell date but when one IS bought the last thing you want to see is the purchaser be a company without the resources let alone the expertise to run it.

Damn but it's taking a long time to get there.

Let the speculation/wishful thinking begin. Here's what my amateur urban planner brain thinks the best approach with for the remaining land. Build 5-6 story buildings along St. Clair/West 6th up to HQ2. Fill the space with some combination of offices for SHW partners and restaurant/bar/retail. Use the rest of West 6th and Superior for the HQ2 tower. Fill the triangle with a hotel/patking deck that connects everything to Tower City. We all love to speculate on potential plans and Ken's article gives us food for thought. For me the most interesting thing to read was the possibility of turning the triangle into usable space. I've always seen it as sort of a gap tooth in the Tower City development. I would love to see it replaced by a structure.

I like the color. Too bad that's not the outer coat.

I know there are alot of (legitimate) complaints about SHW being such a conservative company, less than forthcoming and welcoming to the public. But there is an upside as well. That being as other companies are downsizing office space due to WFH they have actually built NEW office space and are already expanding on that. They are doing it by staying true to their conservative values and requiring workers to adhere to an old fashioned policy which is WFO (work from office). I may be in the minority and l'm sure l'm swimming upstream but l continue to advocate for companies to locate their workers in downtown offices fulltime. The spinoff benefits greatly enhance the downtown experience in my mind - reality be damned.

Done. Didn't know l could do that. Thanks.

@dastler Sorry for the laugh emoji. I meant to hit the Thanks emoji.