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^ Thing is Ken l'm in the homeowner stage of life and my wife wants (needs! according to her) a garden so Lakewood it is. While Little Italy is exciting and sophisticated Lakewood is cool enough and comfortable too. Easy living there.

I love Little Italy. Wish l could afford to live there. Have to settle for a 1908 Lakewood home.

Sigh.

I don't know what's worse. Pei's Erieview master plan or Kassouf's laughable attempt at real estate development. On second thought l have to go with Pei as the worst. After all, he was a professional and should have known better while Kassouf is just a parking lot guy who doesn't know anything more than how to squeeze in more cars into smaller spaces.

Seems like the former PD building is a great place to consolidate. Hope it happens or that somebody leases what appears to be a great building in a great location.

My first choice is a retractable dome for the baseball team but that's not going to happen and since this is a discussion about the football team here's my 2 cents. I think it's obvious that that the best decision is a new domed stadium up the hill and east of E.9th. Getting it off the lakefront does open that area up for development. I think most of us agree that an open air facility used a few days a year is a waste of money. A dome doesn't guarantee anything other than it will be used much, much more which makes it a better investment. So we have an obvious solution but it comes with an obvious problem; funding. Some kind of dome is going to cost upwards of a billion dollars. When added to the new Justice Center, maybe a landbridge and a few other big ticket items l don't know where we come up with the money. And besides that l have serious doubts that it passes a County vote anyway. We still live in a shrinking and relatively poor region. I don't think we can afford the right answer (dome away from the lake). So we get a refurbished stadium (wrong solution and waste of money) or we reach an impasse and like someone mentioned, lose the team again. In a perfect world we build that dome while at the same time develope the lakefront on a large scale. Unfortunately we live in a real world and it's a world where money to do the right thing is probably not available. So where do we go from here? Stay tuned and as Bette Davis once said "It's going to be a bumpy ride."

Alrighty then. Backburner Bedrock has a big plan. It's called "The we got right's to the land, you got the building?" plan. Or maybe it's called "We plan on doing a multi-billion project plan just as soon as someone comes up with multi-billion's" plan." Maybe the streamlined version is "Who's got the money?" plan. Moving on.

So what seems to be the source of opposition this time? The usual density thing? Neighbor's not wanting neighbors?

^ I agree. If it turns out as nice as the pics it's going to add alot of color and architectural interest to that section of Euclid Ave.

I just realised we might be cornering the market on purple with 668 and city club both using purple lighting/schemes. Hmmm

I think it's in architectural hell.

At any rate it would seem this investment could lead to additional development as other companies look to benifit from proximity to this as well as NASA.

That's actually my favorite view of downtown by far. The buildings look squeezed in, dense even and old school at that. Plus it's the only place where you can sorta look down on the skyline and river rather than looking up at it. In every other angle you are either looking up or at best even with the buildings. Not going to happen but wouldn't it be cool if people had access to a viewing platform on that bridge looking at the lake on one side and another one opposite looking at downtown? I think that would get alot of foot traffic.

Now if we could manage to get those blue lights going again on the steel arch l would be a happy camper.

Short of reading about a new high rise coming soon to downtown these kind of stories are just the thing we need. New immigrants, new business and new public art. Love it!

One thing l hate about us is we can't build anything without years of discussion. And then when we finally do build something we have to revise it immediately because either we did something wrong or we didn't budget for maintenance and it's already falling apart. Perpetual talk and perpetual revisions.

Seems to me the empty lots on the west side of 25th across from the planned park will have the best views and one of the best locations in Cleveland. Imagine 5 years from now. You're out on your balcony on the 20th floor. It's a beautiful summer evening. The skyline is arrayed before you and the lights are just coming on. There's lot's of foot traffic as people enjoy the immense curving hillside park that stretches down to the river boardwalk. You're thinking "Should l linger here a little longer and enjoy the view or head out to grab some late dinner at any number of neighborhood restaurants?" Either way you are living a civilized life at a fraction of the price this would have cost you if you hadn't moved here from that coastal city last year. Not bad. Not bad at all Cleveland.

The anti-density people make a very good point. What that point is l couldn't tell you.

^ At this point l would rather see an office stay an office rather than be converted to residential. That assumes there is an office tenant leasing the space. The problem is WFH is making office space somewhat obsolete now vs. pre-pandemic. No secret there of course. That's why l think downtown stakeholders need to come up with creative ways to help business to either stay downtown or relocate there. An obvious way is some kind of subsidy. I'm sure there are other ways too. At any rate keeping downtown open for business has to take on more urgency.

Nice density there.

To me all the various ways in which statistions categorize cities just muddies the water. A simply (and obvious, at least to me) way should be the core city/county followed by all contiguous counties. That's it. Sorry Akron.

@ B

It's often been said the western equivalent of Cleveland Hts is Lakewood. If that's true Lakewood could learn some lessons from the Cleveland Hts development office. All those large projects in a short time frame is very impressive while Lakewood struggles.

A 60 story building in UC? Yeah l think l read on some site they're planning on breaking ground sometime this summer although the date is somewhat iffy.

The image in today's PD shows the addition looking down from above as being green in color. Anyone know if they are planning a real green roof like the garage next door or is it just colored green?