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^ And not just talent but young talent. It's easier to recruit young people to a job in a vibrant downtown vs. a quiet suburb. One of the biggest problems companies have today is finding qualified people, especially qualified young people. Locating where they prefer to work (and live) makes it a little easier to recruit them.

Sorry about the wrong thread.

Glad you thought the food was good. I'm not gay or a lesbian but l hope this project is successful. People need a place to go where they feel welcome.

Oooo. I think we're gettin somewhere.

^ Right. I was recently offered a Data Analyst position for United Healthcare and I've been retired for 5 years. We need more workers now.

Well I feel better already lol.

It's not all that hard. They do it in other cities all the time.

I may be alone here but l am pretty dissatisfied with the look of the marquees. I get that there can be value in a certain uniformity but in this case it looks like too much uniformity, too much sameness. And worse than that l think they look too plastic, too cheap. A little cartoonish even. A cool theater marquee is a draw. A bunch of them clustered together can be very enlivening. These are not that.

Fingers crossed on this. As a kid l used to live in one of those apartments on West Blvd. We used to "hop" the rapid all the time to go downtown. Never did get caught. Interesting that the developer is the same one doing Cedar hill and also the Cedar Lee Meadowbrook projects. Gives me encouragement that they will be able to pull this off. TOD is way under built in this town.

Great. I just got through painting a couple of rooms grey with white trim. Went to an open house recently and the agent was talking about how so outdated grey is now. I didn't have the fortitude to mention my paint job. Next thing you know someone will say bellbottoms are out too.

Facebook is the last place to go to for accurate information. It's the last place for me to go to. In fact I no longer go there at all as I haven't checked in in over 3 years. Way to toxic for me.

Beat me to the punch Ken. I was reading through the comments and wanted to say that how Mayo has designed its campus over the years is something that appeals to urbanists. It looks something like a walkable town rather than a corporate entity. Look no further than University Hospitals. Their whole campus is inviting while the Clinic is not. It's a vibe based on design. It can be done if the leaders cared about it. Different cultures create different buildings. As for this addition to the Clinic, I don't hate it. I like the glass especially. It is bulky as hell but...whatever. My biggest complaint is the location. Visually it would have a much greater impact if it were on Euclid. Located where it is on Carnegie I think even being as large as it is it will somehow be swallowed up by its surroundings. But we have to remember that design is not just about form but also function. While it may look better in a more prominent location it probably functions better in the Carnegie location. Right next to a humongous garage and more integrated with the other core buildings. The most recent Clinic addition on Euclid looks fine IMO but it doesn't really integrate all that well with the other buildings. All in all I have to view what the Clinic brings to the city in a very positive light. Could they do a better job from a design perspective? Of course but as one who remembers decades of disinvestment in Cleveland I'm happy to see investment. It's like the debate about SHW and those benches. In a perfect world we would get everything we want but it's not a perfect world.

Well this is all good news to me. Would we like triple the numbers? Sure but compared to where we started this is pretty good. Any and all traffic whether it be office workers, residents or day trippers...it's all good. But because these visitors are not local l would like to see as more concerted effort to make it easier for them to navigate the local sights. I don't think it would be all that complicated either. Just pay attention to the little things, connect the dots so to speak and we would create a better visit. I hope the powers that be focus on that.

Yes but like a lotta things in life this is good news bad news. Higher prices per square foot are great for developers, not so great for renters. Such is life.

I hope the Clinic and IBM are able to maximize that computer. If done properly it could be a real economic multiplier.

Man, I'd forgotten about that plan. When it was first proposed l thought it was fantastic. In fact the only thing wrong (besides the very long timeline) is there isn't a complimentary design downtown. Can you imagine something like that off E. 9th or maybe near the mouth of the river? Anyone who has visited the islands off of Toronto will appreciate doing something like that here. We don't have a lot of topographical geography but we can create some if we were so inclined. Count me a fan.

Sunbelt City baby! Oof.

Can't wait for this to built. What's that? We need a new plan to replace all of those great old plans? Oh...ok. Well then wake me up when you hear something or better yet AFTER the thing is ready for my inspection.

I wonder if that second floor walkway will remain to connect the new building with the old? Probably I guess but haven't read one way or the other.

The issue of just how open, how accommodating a large corporation should be to the public is a difficult one in the present climate. Should there be benches? A welcoming environment that says "We are part of the urban fabric of downtown and embrace the public." Of course. Should a conservative old-line company that could invest in a new corporate headquarters ANYWHERE be able to turn its back on the public because some of in that public are undesirable? Yep. Notwithstanding public funds that are being used to subsidize the new headquarters, the property is Sherwin William's and they have leverage here. Do they have a right to not want certain people to sully the sensibilities of some employees as they make their way into and out of the building? If it's their property, I'm afraid they do. Both positions are correct. To me, the larger question is how did we get here? What has gone wrong in society where we even have to have this debate? Well...we know what has happened. In so many ways our society is broken. And that has created poverty, drug use, homelessness. A society that has coarsened. We've created problems that are so great it's easier to turn a blind eye because we just can't bear anymore. Those of us who love urban environments hate to see this of course. We long for the old days where everyone came downtown dressed up and ready to work, shop and play. Those downtowns still exist elsewhere in Europe and other places. But not in most American cities. I don't know...we can talk public interface, trees, streetcars, whatever, but not a lot of that matters until we figure out how to fix American society.

Is that a trick question? lol

Any chance they add balconies? What can I say. It's a slow day.

What a great shot of the city. Thanks for posting it.

I think there's no question the design of Uptown is a huge success. If the use of Uptown was as successful then we would have a home run. I do think with all the new additions to UC it is only a matter of time before the usage picks up too.

Alright. The more I think about this the more pissed off I get. We have the potential for so much more here. What did Burnham say, something about make no little plans for they stir no man's soul? Let me set the stage. We have the potential for a dramatic entrance to downtown but right now the east side of the Detroit/West25th street intersection is pretty nondescript. We have a fantastic, colorful and modern building (no thanks to those two deep thinkers on the Planning Commission) on one corner. We will have a sweeping urban park that takes advantage of the valley view on the other corner. And that park is one example of where we turned lemons (a crumbling hillside that needed shoring up) into lemonade {creating a park out of an abandoned hillside). We're mostly there in creating that dramatic entrance. All that's left is the southeast corner. From what I've read the plan was to have the park just end on that corner with nothing built. The one fly in the ointment is that decrepit building that was supposed to be torn down. But wait. Enter that mafioso capitalist, the family George who dashed in to buy that little turd at a yard sale and is now holding it hostage. But IF said family somehow discovered a conscious and were to sell that property or even really develop it here's what we could have. A structure that compliments the Bridgework building. One suitably tall. modern and colorful. THEN we would have created that dramatic entrance to downtown. We don't need another little building that blends in with its surroundings Ms. Trott and Anderson. We don't need a little turd on the opposite corner Mr. George. What we need is to take advantage of what little geography we do have and build a dramatic park with a view, build a dramatic entrance to downtown and maybe, just maybe in the process we stir the souls of people visiting and allow them to realize that Cleveland is pretty cool and maybe I should consider moving here and become a part of it. All we need do is stop with these little plans, selfish plans and create something we can all be proud of. I'm a rank amateur here. If I can see it why can't our leader's see it?