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Hope the design is churning too. I really hate the way it looks. That site is too valuable to waste on a two bit generic piece of architecture.

From those pics I don't think this project looks much different from any of the other projects around town that are getting a thumbs up. That design is pretty much the look now so I fail to see the problem - unless the problem is they all pretty much look alike.

Man, that is brutal.

Ok Pleco, l have to ask. What is that shorter building in the first pic? Did l just wake up from a long nap and forget something?

But, but where am I going to park my car now?? 😛

Yep. Build it (correctly) and indeed, they will come.

To me the best thing (well, besides the glass and the height and the prominent siting) are the balconies. And these balconies are located on the weather (north) side of the building. If they can be used when facing the wind, rain and snow they certainly can be used elsewhere in Cleveland. I don't know if there was a particular reason for the lack of balconies in the past (the excuse we always heard was the tough climate) but now that a few builders have added them lately I don't want to hear anymore crap about WHY we can't have them. That old saw about why we don't have balconies in Cleveland reminds of the bad ol' days (pre 1980's) when we were told we couldn't have outdoor dining either. Sometimes you have to overcome inertia and just do it.

Working overtime from Europe I see. Ah...the internet. As much as we hate it for its malign influences when used for actual info it sure is nice.

If it HAD been placed on the Scranton Peninsula it would have built out that area immediately rather than the city having to wait as other developers filled it in at their pace. That probably would have kickstarted more development as placing a large number of well paid employees there would have added potential customers for bars/restaurants and housing. Having the facility on the peninsula would have then made the remaining Flats area more valuable as there is a finite amount of land there. And finally it would have added to the tax base.

Shoulda been in the Flats.

The setback has been talked about before. Pros: the much deeper sidewalk/building entrance allows for some nifty streetscaping with space for large trees. Definitely a greener stretch of Euclid Ave. It creates almost of New York feel, a visual invitation that says this building is different than other Cleveland buildings. Cons: The setback when viewed looking West on Euclid from E9th. doesn't work. The parapet on 668 has a Potemkin village feel and the exposed brick wall on 668 looks awkward. Maybe there are plans to do something about that wall but, knowing how we do things here...probably not. Other than the setback I think when completed this building will be one of my favorites downtown.

Impressive!

I agree Cleveland is on a general upswing. It's just that when economic stats are compared with our peer cities (let alone the hot ones) we seem to be progressing at a slower clip. Still, we are moving forward and that's a definite improvement from our past. One of my favorite reads are articles from Cleveland re-locator specialists. Especially those on the professional or executive level. I'm always reading statements like the person being recruited or their spouse turns down the visit but if they do manage to come for the tour they are usually more than impressed with all that the area has to offer. Then they have to put up with all the comments from their friends and family. "Cleveland?? Why would you want to move there?" It seems like we are still facing an uphill battle. But who knows, maybe WFH as well as some climate change refugees are changing some of that old perception. One can only hope.

The move is probably as much about recruiting talent as well as anything else. We've been reading about how hard it is to recruit people to the area for decades. Regardless, it sucks.

Holy *uck Ken. Those two streets are a perfect contrast. And they make the argument for trees. Which street do you want to walk on, live on? I don't know why the general public doesn't intuitively know this? People like trees. So plant them. Care for them. It's not rocket science for crying out loud.

Hey Brian, l get what you're saying. All true. Not sure where you're getting that plenty of Conservatives want expanded rail service though. I don't know any and l never come across an opinion piece by a Conservative who espouses it either. But your arguments are spot on. I only wish Conservatives would take the time to reflect on them. We might win some of them over to our side.

I view this subject as a microcosm for the political battle in America today. Those of us on the Left would love nothing more than to be able to travel on a train like our European friends. Those on the Right view expanding rail service as part of a Socialist takeover of America. The Blue Ohio Cities want it. Red Ohio government doesn't. As long as Ohio remains a Red state we will continue to decline. Unfortunately, I don't see that changing anytime soon. But you never know. I was shocked when Kansas voted for abortion rights. Will Ohio finally get expanded rail? One can only hope. In the meantime a big thank you to all those fighting the good fight.

^ Well to be fair, a "gamechanging" investment in the scientific/medical community in UC would probably involve a large building at some point. Not to mention propelling an already strong foundation to greater heights. Which is what l prefer. But whatever comes from the conversation l don't think it will involve something related to that field. I think if anything it WlLL be some kind of straight forward physical development and not just investment dollars.

I'll tell you what, if I wanted to move out of my inner ring suburb but didn't want to leave the area Kent would have a very strong appeal. It has most everything one needs for a comfortable lifestyle without being so small the walls are closing in. Nice place.

As much as I would appreciate a "game-changing" development in the form of...say the land bridge or another skyscraper (don't see that as a possibility) if push came to shove I would actually prefer it to be a jobs related game changer like a large investment in some kind of scientific/medical proposition in University Circle. Just my two cents.

Nice! I love little tidbits like this. Especially if it portends a large project. And you know Ken I'm at the back end of the information line so I never know anything until I read about it. But I think you're like me in that these kind of stories excite you and you have the added advantage of being much closer to the news than me. I guess I'll just have to continue to live vicariously through your reporting. Appreciate it though.

That rowhouse is alot bigger than l thought. Oh well, looking forward not backwards.

I think we're all preaching to the choir here. We need to be preaching to people who are indifferent to trees.

I'm not sure what exactly is under the streets on the south sides the Terminal tower. Isn't part (all?) of the land built over...nothing? How deep is the soil there? Deep enough to plant shade trees?

^ If we're going to have these things anyway I'd prefer they go into a place outside of our sports facilities. Fans inside are already a captive audience but putting them in a downtown bar/restuarant strip would add to the street life.