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^ No problem.

^ Don't remember that project at all. But housing above parking with an extension of the boardwalk would be awesome in my book. As for the TMUD credits if I had to choose I'd rank the (George) Flat's development first followed by Bridgeworks a close second. Like most of you I'm not a fan of the George family but if the plan as configured gets built it would make for a long seamless east side of the Flat's and I'm thinking the sum would be greater than the parts. Then maybe we'd get high-rise housing on that little lot next to the river. Density!

It's bad enough when a healthy and mature tree is hacked up but I also hate to see new trees planted directly under utility lines when across the street there are No lines and NO new trees planted. Oh yeah and there's also the new trees planted that lean a couple of feet. I've given up at this point. It's like litter. Some people just don't care.

^ Agreed, but it doesn't really matter what the majority want. In today's toxic and divisive political climate Congress (Republicans more so than Democrats) has a hard time voting for something that the American people want if it will give the other side a victory. Ex: Congress could get something done with the border but Republicans prefer to keep it as a political talking point rather than vote for something even they want because they don't want to give the Democrats a victory.

Sounds like Cleveland is getting dumped on figuretly and literally.

This whole project is such a shot in the arm for that section of Ohio City. Quality materials and design has led to rapid leasing. Looking forward to seeing how the next phases fit in. Will they be identical or complement phase one? This has been so great for the neighborhood that l hate to nitpick, but here goes. The original plan showed two phases aligning with West 25th. Two buildings, similar materials and design running alongside West 25th. Perfect. I don't like that the next phases are further east and off of West 25th. I prefer urban design that has buildings fronting the street. I don't like setbacks in general. If land acquisition is a problem then l have to give the developer a pass but if they have a choice then build up to the street. I like my cities tight.

Nice pics! But the first shot looking down Euclid is troubling in that there is zero traffic. It's not just Cleveland though. I've noticed that many, many cities (outside of the obvious NY, LA, SF and a few others) have little to no traffic. It's a sign of life, or lack thereof I guess. Kinda spooky. What's worse than heavy traffic? Uh...no traffic.

^ Well that is an obvious idea I didn't think about. Then again, maybe the city is already working with them. But I doubt it. Otherwise we would have heard something along the way. So yeah, Cleveland's purported desire to green up the city plus a national tree expert in our back yard seems like an obvious solution to a longstanding problem. I'm thinking some of that council "slush" money we got from the Feds because of Covid would be money well spent. Planting trees across the city would pay for themselves over time. Let's hope the powers that be are lurking on this forum and will make it happen.

Anything to increase shipping on the Great Lakes is great for the region. More ships please, less trucks on the highways.

All things considered l think this is bad news. PSF, besides the theater biz is also in the real estate development biz. They have done a bang up job with both but it sounds like getting the Lumen built was just a little more than they could handle. It's not surprising though. It was their first attempt at a large construction project. While l think it should be considered a success l can understand how difficult it was for them. I'm sure they learned a lot and will also be successful on their next big project. It's just that might be a ways off with interest rates rising and a recession probably around the corner. Guess we'll have to wait a bit for Phase Il.

Reno is one thing but actually adding a retractable roof seems pretty daunting. My understanding was the stadium was built quickly and on the cheap so l wonder if it has good bones and can it withstand the weight of that roof? If the cost of a new build somewhere else is north of one billion including land acquisition what will this one cost? I'm all for a retractable dome for baseball but not football. Then again, with costs being so astronomical anyway might as well pay even more for a roof so it can be used for more than football. If l am being honest though, these stadium costs are insane. I understand that in order to be in the game cities have to pay the admission fee which is the cost of a stadium. And l'm a huge sports fan too but l have to admit the whole thing of outrageous salaries and even more insane costs for stadiums is a terrible waste of tax payors money when there are so, so many better things that need funding. And yet...Go Browns! God we're stupid.

Wonderful news. Our zoo does a nice job with rhinos.

That photo shows what I think is a perfect height for residential in the Warehouse District. I like the look too. 6 or 7 of something along those lines in the District would pretty much finish off the place and finally create a complete neighborhood. And the best thing is it's completely doable because buildings around that height aren't nearly as expensive as trying to add...say, a 25-30 story structure like the Luman or Beacon.

Don't I know it Cleburger. I mean, there still are areas in some American cities where retail's thriving and not just trinket retail for tourists but actual stores patronized by actual locals. But I think the advent of on-line shopping has only increased the pressure to compete for local retail and, sadly their numbers continue to decrease. But Europe and Asia in my experience continue to have huge numbers of local retail that seems to be doing well. I was in Thailand last year and not only is Bangkok booming with retail and street life but even the shops on the islands are doing well. Our retail issues really are an American thing that, thankfully most of the rest of the world seems immune too. For now at least.

Real downtown shopping is like real newspapers...mostly on the scrap heap. It's too bad. I doubt we ever see their likes again.

Well Htsguy you're probably correct in your assumptions. The problem is you're thinking like an urban planner and not like a company thst owns some land in the heart of a city. The best use of that land and what it should look like is probably not on their agenda. Their focus is on how THEY can best utilize it...or not. A progressive company would probably share many of your concerns. But most companies aren't progressive.

I know some people don't want to hear it but most every poor Ohio ranking can be directly linked to Ohio Republican policies. Until that changes nothing else will change.

Looks nice. Wasn't expecting that.

Yes sir!

I gather some developers, architects and urban planners visit this forum not only to keep abreast of coming projects but also to see what us peons think about their work. Don't know if Bedrock is one of them but if they do read our comments I hope they pay attention and act accordingly. You call yourself a multi-billion dollar business? Then act like it.

It's ok Ken. You can get paid and still keep your street cred.

Technically you're right Ken. First study, then planning. Some ideas are studied to death and never got to the planning stage. Some have very little study but a whole lot of planning especially if they involve multiple Gov. jurisdictions. I guess my point was we seem to take an extraordinary long time to build things today. Anyone who watches Real Time with Bill Maher will recall his looooog fight with government officials just to get some solar panels on a shed to work. One jurisdiction after another had to sign off. Took him years. That is ridiculous. It's one reason why rail struggles here. Wasn't that simple light rail down Euclid going to cost so much we had to replace it with a bus when we already had a damn bus line. Every agency has to sign off. That takes time and adds to the expense. There used to be a better way. I'm not saying throw the baby out with the bath water here but we have to simplify government regulation enough so we can build in a reasonable time frame and at a more affordable cost.

I think StapHanger is on to something. But it's not about the Artisan (or Circle Square) as much as it's about Cleveland in general, which is our lack of foot traffic. In that regard we often look more like a sunburnt sunbelt city than a legacy east coast city. Whenever you see glossy photos of those new cities the one thing you notice is a lack of street life while the old legacy cities are usually crowded with people walking. And isn't that what we're striving for here? Oh there are sections where we somehow manage to pull it off. I always notice that when I attend a concert at Severance or just drive on that section of Euclid there are quite a lot of people walking. But go just a few blocks west (Clinic stretch) and it's pretty quite. What changed? The mix? I think the absolute number of people in both areas is comparable but the difference is there are multiple institutions in one area (UH, Case, Severance) while the Clinic dominates the other. I don't mean to oversimplify but one group are seen as generally more welcoming while the other is known for more of a fortress mentality. That may be a little harsh but I think there's something to it. Another thing is (and here my bias is clearly showing) but that lively section of Euclid has something else that the quiet section lacks. Mature trees and lots of them. And who likes walking down a street under mature trees? Uh...pretty much everyone. Mature trees and streetscaping in general promote walking. A windswept and barren sidewalk does not. maybe it's as simple as that. Build (no, grow it) and people will come.

Yeah. On the one hand it's necessary to study something as potentially complicated and expensive as re-configuring the Shoreway and adding a landbridge. Government doing its due diligence. There are multiple agencies that need to be involved. On the other hand should it takes years and years to reach a determination? Somewhere in the middle is the sweet spot. I think we've begun to err on the wrong side of this equation. Today, it takes forever to build things like this in America. Study good. Too much study bad.

I'm thinking the line is gonna be a long one. The faster we come up with a plan the sooner we can get in line. Unfortunately it looks like we're quite a ways off from deciding anything. Hate to get shut out of those Federal dollars.