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Spectacular and yet, still not good enough for our Jimmy. He must be holding out for really spectacular.

It all comes down to money. Adding up the costs of a BP facility it comes to several billions of dollars. There's billions for the dome and a billion or more for the entertainment district and highway ramps and maybe some kind of rail extension. Haslam wants close to a 50/50 partnership with public funding. Local pols say "No." DeWine is a very cautious politician. He knows if he offers hundreds of millions in state money Cincinnati will scream for a similiar handout for their new facility and who knows what Columbus will want. I really don't think the Browns are leaving NEO BUT, the longer the funding question lingers the closer we get to Haslam moving them. His ego wants a money-making entertainment mecca. Billionaire's are used to getting their way. He doesn't want a nice little open air stadium on the lakefront. What, in any of his ideas from screwing his Pilot Flying J "business" partners to his meddling football decisions gives us hope that he will come to a thoughtful conclusion here? Nothing that l can see. If he can't get us to give him what he wants he is very likely to look elsewhere. He is not a reasonable man.

I'm sure the league would prefer all parties work it out so the Browns remain in NEO but if/when it starts to get ugly my bet is they go with the owner. In other words, once Haslam begins to complain about the hostility the league will back off and let him make the best deal with another city offering plenty of gold.

Looks like the stodgy the old paint company is changing it's culture. First it's a modern contemporary headquarters and now it's a catchy name: Sherwin Willi. Cool.

^ l don't think the idea of moving is unlikely at all. It's a simple scenario. Haslam turns down city help for a re-furbished stadium on the lakefront. Says he needs to build a palace no one but him wants. Can't get much financial help from Ohio politicians. Then says he tried to give us a world class experience but since we're not buying in he has "No choice" but to move the team. If you're paying the slightest bit of attention you'll note that not only is Jimmy not a Clevelander, he's not a yankee either. He can move his team to a sun belt city or even help the NFL with a team in one of those cool outside of America cities they keep talking about.

Wow. Seeing how massive the area is with the stadium removed gets your attention. That is one big blank space. I wonder how many years it will take to fill it. It's a little scary.

@KFM44107 l was kidding.

That's what l call making lemonade out of lemons. Let's do it!

But that was 20 years ago. They've had 20 years to fix up the place. I imagine it's beautiful now. Looks great when you're driving by.

I hesitate to say this because l'm oppossed to the BP move but if there's a silver lining it's the huge improvement in the views that visitor's will see when they fly in. WE know the area around the airport is pretty bleak and it is not a great first impression of Cleveland. If Haslam can build his parking lots on the other side of his dome away from the the airport exit the views will dramatically improve. And with the airport getting re-built over the next decade the whole experience shound be much better - we'll look less like a national backwater. For me, the move is a huge mistake but l'm trying to find any bright spots and this is the one and only thing l came up with.

I wonder if Haslam already has a closed door agreement with DeWine for the State money. And if so, how much? If Haslam is not going to pay for it all he's going to need some other entities to kick in an awful lot of cash. He will need BILLION'S to complete the job. Money for a dome, money for the ballpark village and money for the roadways around everything. He could just build the dome/parking lots and sh*tcan the village to save money but he's still going to need a fortune. If he ends up footing most of the bill himself at least WE won't be on the hook, so there's that. This is going to be interesting.

Oh man, that is some very poor phrasing by the writer or another terrible example of AI generated cost saving bs. If you're reading this and you don't live in Cleveland you might think the river is still a cesspool. Come on now!

Well since they aren't all that expensive if these 3 are successful maybe the city adds a few more around downtown. Seems reasonable.

Yes, l have long been touting the trades as a simple and quick way to a comfortable future compared to the time and money it takes to get a college degree. Not to mention many of those degrees don't lead to high paying jobs anyway. We've had decades of societal propaganda denigrating tradional blue collar work. Blue collar jobs are not all the same. Skilled trades are not only a great way to make a comfortable living they have become a necessity since that negative propaganda has lead to a shortage of people trained in them.

Am l the only one who wonders why one of these toilets isn't placed on Public Square? There seems to be a number of people who appear to be homeless hanging around there along with anecdotal reports of people using the Square to do their business.

I was joking about a 30 story condo in the Flat's east bank but really, if you think about the land alongside the river is a perfect location for residential development. Everywhere else around the world people want to live near the water. City government should be actively working with developers on this. We need to promote our assests and riverfront living should be an easy sell. We're already seeing some activity, but we need more, a lot more.

Come on Ken. Tell us we're getting a 30 story condo on the Flat's east bank.

Lakewood (or at least me) could use a Trader Joe's.

These kind of break-ins are actually quite serious. Not from a crime perspective but from a pr perception. And the police treating them as if they are nothing more than a nuisance only leads to people leaving and taking their money with them. Nothing turns people off like this kind of crime unless it the taking over of streets like we've seen recently. People can live anywhere and they're less likely to live where they have to put up with this crap. In the grand scheme of things this kind of crime is small potatoes but sometimes it's the little things that decide where to live. The city needs another task force to put an end to this rash of break-ins before all the good vibes lead to hood vibes.

^ Oh man, yes it's Canal Basin Park but when placed next to Irishtown Bend Park it makes for a seamless connection. Both are perfect in the renderings. My thoughts are the two of them are really just one long park. And if the Bedrock plans are even half of the expectations Cleveland will have a drawing card. Imagine connecting them to the Flats and both peninsulas and the OC and Tremont neighborhoods. Imagine water taxis making stops along the way. What a magnet for growth. Imagine those bridges with colorful lighting. We've been talking about creating a great lakefront but if you see the area from a bird's eye view the lakefront is kind of boring topographically compared to the river. The river is much more interesting. When you're navigating those twists your mind naturally goes to thinking "What's around the bend?" The river has a hillside creating depth and height. There are great views of downtown from those hills. If we do this right it could put Cleveland on the map . It could be our version of the San Antonio riverwalk. If you build it THEY WILL COME!

OMG! If the park turns out to be anything like those renderings it has to join the list of great urban parks. We talk about the Chicago lakefront or NY's Highline but this park will be just as great. The trick now is to make the final product look like these plans. No short-cuts, no changes. Bring those images alive!

Well you are definitely a better man than l. Congrats on getting clean.

Great news for Cle. Heights and fans of historic buildings and neighborhoods.

Yep, that's how it works. The NFL selling us something we don't want because it comes with something we DO want, which is football. It almost feels like that scenario where the dope dealer (NFL) gives away the first hit (a team) then after we're hooked we end up giving him enough money to buy himself a nice McMansion (dome stadium) in the 'burbs. Meanwhile we're addicted to the drug but now we're just poorer for the experience. I say this as a hardcore fan all of my life who is definitely hooked on sports. The beauty and emotionsl rush of the game has got me. I'm not even trying to get clean. There's more than one kind of addiction baby and most of us our hooked on something.

Right up there, or is it down there with the Bridgework project. LET DOWN.