tastybunns

Cross post from Lakefront... If they're talking about bringing the USS Cleveland back to it's namesake, what is the best possible solution for incorporating another large vessel in the area? We already have the Mather and the Cod, how do we move things around or include everything in such a manner that doesn't disrupt marina traffic or the Coast Guard. I've also never been to Tall Ships, I've always wanted to, but what kind of displacement are we talking about for nautical vessel events from years past?

I love the idea of VP being an open space venue, the only problem isnt just the lack of park seating, it's an outcrop with very few options to eat within that area unless you picnic, how I wish people did that more. However it's a great open air spot that can attract busker talent and even hold small concerts right there. I'm not sure what kind of event coordination they have in that area specifically but it would be a way more popular spot with food truck appearances. Love this spot, and I'm glad they're improving on it.

It almost doesn't make a whole lot of sense that HSG would use the old Ford plant, because I was thinking that Hopkins would have land grabbed it for their remodel... the dilemma is, I don't think Hopkins shows any disapproval or anger that HSG has the land. Any thoughts on this? Additionally since the airport is right there wouldn't the FAA NTSB and/or ODOT have to all be in agreement that stadium events wouldn't affect people's travels instead of delaying passengers for something totally outside the airport's scope of control?

philly aint cleveland, but hey i'll get a cheesesteak anytime

The reasoning behind my opinion here, even though they're townhomes/condos, you still share a wall and maybe 2. I know it reaches some sort of audience, and I'm glad it takes empty land, however building something cookie cutter, and something that's there to merely improve density will always be a big turnoff to me. I hate cookie cutter, i feel it takes away from a neighborhoods' charm. Call me a NIMBY all you want, but unless you don't care about privacy or not having to care for a yard, then this is for you. I feel this would be marketed for higher incomes as well, but probably wouldn't reach their target for occupancy. It's a lower income style of living which I'm not opposed to, I myself am lower income, but I still value my privacy and own my home. The American lifestyle is normally built around financial independence and the desire to own the land you live on or do business. This ain't it chief.

Housing like this makes me probably want to kill my neighbors, it's nothing better than an apartment. I don't see how this layout is desirable other than whoever lives in it can play make believe that they live in something that looks like a house. Stuff like this is good on college campuses and geographically challenged places, not in open suburbs. On the other hand, glad it takes up empty parcels rather than hankering for demo.

The answer is always a new casino centric residential district. I'm talking to you, Yellowstone fans.

Say what you want about why Cleveland shouldn't fight for the browns, but I would advocate for them to try as much as they can to get them to stay, as it's a massive commerce tool. People fly in, eat/drink, pay for parking, use city transit, buy a 30 rack, all downtown. Even though it's only 8-10 days out of the year, that's a significant amount of money that our downtown businesses aren't seeing if they move to Brook Park. I'm not saying that Brook Park businesses are inferior to Cleveland's, but keeping money in the epicenter is key for local developments across the board. No matter how communist that may seem, the reality is the bigger city gets the worm to feed its children, but in this instance you're going to build a stadium that the city wont be able to keep up with, not even at the fault of Cleveland. You can argue that Cleveland is feeding its cities with the new stadium being more local, but it's more likely to steal your dime, clog your infrastructure, and degrade the response time of your emergency services. Brook Park won't be able to keep up. Whether or not the Art Model law is constitutional, or if it's even worth digging city resources for, it's for keeping Cleveland Cleveland and keeping our localities healthy, rather than pushing sensory overload in our arterial. We aren't the Dallas Cowboys who play in "Arlington", and I can assure you the people who live around that area are miserable. The area is overdeveloped, with how overpopulated the DFW area is every highway is already clogged, on gamedays it's even worse. WE DO NOT WANT THIS... Trust me, I'm not a doctor.

not once, he hates the city. just wait til the Cleveland annexes the plots they're planning to build on in exchange for sin tax. (Im joking of course)

Is BP bleak looking? To the average person, yes... But many people call it home and a working suburb. Do we want anything worthwhile there? Yes, we hate to see perfectly good industrial real estate go to waste... Do we want a stadium there to take up that space? Hell no. Why have something that's utilized 8-10 times out of the year even covered, when we can have something there that strengthens the workforce and puts your money to work, rather than leech off it? Kind of seems like a no brainer. I'm very sure everyone's seen an airport area before, they're generally not nice looking on the outside. Industry usually takes over, or blends in to the environment. Given the amount of industry and abandoned industry, I generally wouldn't want visitors from out of town to show up to a Browns game and thinking, "What a dump, I never want to come here again, but the stadium was nice". I would hate to leave a bad taste in our visitors' mouth, and keep Brook Park out of the limelight, as it's not what this region is known for anymore. It's not exactly a tourist attraction so let's not make it one. Cleveland is about growth and has seen more progression than abandonment than most areas in the region. Why cripple the image with an eyesore of an area that won't be developed for commerce in 20+ years. Some factors to consider: -Since Hopkins is bulldozing the Sheridan, will they build another one to help with passenger volumes this stadium is obviously bringing to the immediate vicinity? Will the Hasbeens build their own? -480 & 71 traffic, as much as that entire interchange is already a nightmare and everyone drives like it's their last day on earth, this will impact many people's commute times, especially to those who work Sundays. Granted the typical POV volume on Sundays is about half as much as a Saturday evening, without proper traffic engineering and management, you will see gridlocks on that interchange every day there's a ball game. - Influx of inebriated people and DUI investigations and accidents. Hate to talk about it but events like these are prone to attract people like this. What will the city do to increase police presence in the area, and how would they be able to pay for it if they're gifting abatements? - Accessibility of Hopkins. I'm very sure this will alter how people arrive and depart the airport, how can we ensure that traffic inbound and outbound is separate from the stadium? Seeing as how Bibb was crossed and Hopkins is still Cleveland? - Let's say the deal falls through. With the way mayor Bibb has been handling the situation, while rather professionally in coordination with the county commissioner, with the good idea fairy crossing the city of Cleveland despite efforts to keep them downtown, does this give the city the edge to say "haha told you so, our deal is still on the table", or will they move the browns to CBus out of spite like Art did? Because not only did your one deal fall through for your ventures, you would rather move elsewhere than say "you were right" to the two people negotiating a contract that benefits the people more than the previous great money giveaway years. I can keep going. This is getting pretty long, but you can see how all this stacks up, and then you really start to notice that the ball may not be in their court. You uproot and plant an organization that nobody would dare move, and expect flowers and hugs from your fans when you don't even have a winning team. The good idea fairy strikes again. Whether or not this happens, series of catastrophic domino effects will happen for everyone in the metro. I know you'll feel it too.

Y'know, as much as this release pissed everyone off, I think this website got more foot traffic than when Sherwin Williams's HQ groundbreaking was a go. I don't think I've seen so many users in a given topic at a time. That's a win in itself 🤣

Funny enough here in Texas, there's business highways that stretch from the highways through the city, I-20 has plenty of these I-20 Business monikers that stretch through many small Texan towns and smaller cities. But the problem is 490 doesn't touch the other end of 490, you could arguably say it would be I-90 Business, even though OC just barely gets up there.

How does Brook Park have any money to fund any TIF or TOD projects to and from airport to stadium to downtown? This will ruin them unless the county and state steps in, or the Haz-beens pay for it all. The browns already have the land, but when they start releasing the billets, Brook Park may want to take a look in the mirror and not only think about their money's worth, but maybe more about what they're taking away.

The fact that you can shower the city in light production is a great move. If you give the folks that theme Terminal Tower the keys to the lights on the bridges and everywhere else, it would really tie into how the city feels in a given day.

Sorry, this is more of a rant than anything constructive. I'm sure you'll understand. I don't know what the fuss is when the Muni Lot is still a remnant of what we know about utility and how to purpose our land. We have a stadium with land next to it. If need be, we can demolish it for whoever knows what reasons, and build next to it like they did with Muni and Huntington. The only difference beforehand is we didn't have a team yet, but now we have the land. The benefit to this is you can still operate a team while you build your new palace next door as a preview. Whether or not a new stadium is warranted or if the citizens of Cleveland or Cuyahoga County even want one without an adequate performing team, you can say that moving the team out of downtown is probably not the best idea. The area is already geared for inflated traffic, public transit, and it's a walkable area or even more walkable if they decide to build the land bridge. Spitballing, and going against what the city is going to offer them, is a surefire way to lose your main customers. I'm very afraid the driving reason this is a big talking point is that the Browns want to host a Superbowl. We possibly can, but the NFL mainly won't award contracts to outdoor venues or stadiums that lack capacity, which is why if the Hazlams wanted to, can build a retractable dome, but instead of upgrading what we got, we're choosing to demo it all and spare extra expense. I don't understand why we have to destroy a previous tradition to create something that should just differ in the football world. I don't understand how lack of capacity factors, but If the infrastructure is already there, why move it somewhere else to suck up to an organization that only awards it to you once in 50 years if at all. Why spend more money when your current baseline stadium is practically already paid for?