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^ I agree. Xavier and UC both draw very well, and with UC's new (extensively renovated) arena, they both have a quasi pro atmosphere. Cincinnati is right in the center of a pretty incredible college basketball region. Within a 2 hour drive from downtown you have UK, Louisville, UC, XU, Dayton, OSU, and Indiana. As much as I would have loved to have a local NBA team to cheer for growing up, it's probably not very realistic. In addition to the saturation of college ball in the area, corporate support would also probably be stretched pretty thin between the Bengals, Reds, FCC, and the tennis tournament.

The headline of this article is "Cincinnati developer negotiating lease for Fortune 100 e-retailer ", and it's referring to the Kettering Business Park that will become an Amazon distribution center. Also, Flaherty and Collins is not a Cincinnati developer- I think they're based in Indy. They are, however, developing 4th and Race, and I believe they are trying to rehab the Terrace Plaza hotel.

That seems like an unreasonable timeline.

I guess "amazing" is subjective, lol. Makes me wonder what the views are like on the quieter side of the hotel... The Westin in DT Cleveland really has some amazing views. First time I stayed there I had a great view of the Terminal Tower and BP Building, and another time I had a lake view.

Thanks for the explanation. I thought St. Louis City was its own county, ala San Francisco. I had an old roommate from St. Louis, and he always used to talk about the weird political dynamic of the city and county. Seems much more fractured there than anywhere in Ohio. In fact, I just read today that one of the burbs located in STL County is now talking about seceding or joining neighboring St. Charles County, just based on this potential city-county merger. Pretty crazy stuff.

"Negotiating Lease for Fortune 100 Retailer"..... aka a fu**ing Amazon distribution center. Not even back office jobs, just another distribution center like what is opening in Monroe. Biz Courier really overhyped this one.

Cute pic ? I bet she enjoyed going up in the Terminal Tower! I still fondly remember the first time my dad took me up to the Carew Tower observation deck.

Isn't SF more in the Baltimore and St. Louis model? I thought SF County was the same 49 sq miles as the city. Maybe it also includes Daly City and the city of South San Francisco, too?

lol the Short North is basically abutting downtown Cbus...certainly not as far away as Oakley or Norwood. Vibrancy and pedestrian activity is not as tied to population as you might think, though I think there is much room for improvement with additional residents. I, too, think it's odd that Cbus has seen little to no increase in its highrises despite growing at quite a healthy rate. It's growing as fast or faster than Nashville, but outside of the High Street corridor, you'd never know it. Maybe this is because Downtown Columbus is so large and sprawling, and there are still so many surface lots that can be developed, which causes developers to go for the low or mid-rise type of buildings that are cheaper and easier to build. When it seems like there is endless room to grow in all directions, it's hard to make the case to grow upwards.

Wow, what a great thread. I love seeing all the different variations on modernism shown here, and the little bit of Dayton Jewish history was interesting, too. As for modernism in Cincinnati, there are some cool streamline moderne homes on Rawson Woods Circle, and some great ones on Lafayette Lane, too, like this, this, and this (private street, so no streetview available). There are also some cool mid century modern homes in Wyoming, like this home with the googie inspired roof. The Valley Temple in Wyoming also is a modernist structure, though probably from the late 60s or 70s, so a little after the synagogues shown in this thread.The biggest collection in Cincinnati, though, has to be in Amberly Village. There is at least one FLW home in Amberly, and there are several fine examples of mid-century modern sprinkled throughout the neighborhood. Beyond these areas, there are some interesting one off mid-century modernist mansions in Hyde Park and Indian Hill, but that's all that comes to mind. It's interesting that Jewish neighborhoods seem to have an attraction to this style of architecture. I wonder why that is.

I miss Jeffery's posts. He was such a unique forumer.

If ol' Dusty is so concerned about telling constituents how to show up to pay taxes in person, maybe he could have mentioned that people could park up near Rhinegeist for free, and then take the streetcar to get to the County office building. The man is a dinosaur turd.

Really excited about this project! It should really extend and beef up the Cleveland skyline. Looking forward to seeing this rise.

It's great that this gym is right on the streetcar line, too. That puts it much more in reach for people who live in the northern part of downtown and OTR.

8 townhomes in this lot is pretty good density. The project sort of looks like one of LA's small lot subdivisions. Would love to see more of this, especially in the highly desirable but nearly built out east side neighborhoods.

Can you post some street view links to some of these dense built environments you're talking about? The gentrified neighborhoods, that would actually have things to walk to, are mostly comprised of detached housing, just like they are in Columbus. Tremont, for example, hardly feels like a dense, big city neighborhood to me. Here are some areas of Cleveland that I think feel pretty dense and give you the big city feel: Gold Coast/Edgewater: Aerial and Street View Coventry: Aerial and Street View Shaker Square: Aerial and Street View When I think of Cleveland, though, I usually think of neighborhoods that look like this. Not exactly dense, walkable (meaning mixed use), or urban. And not especially different from Columbus neighborhoods, which often look like this. Not to be a homer, but if any Ohio city is going to claim a supremely walkable, dense (structurally) built environment in Ohio, I think it's Cincinnati. There are plenty of neighborhoods of single family homes like there are in Cleveland and Columbus, but also a fairly sizable chunk of the city (or at least the core) that is classic East Coast style urbanism. Tenement neighborhoods like Pendleton and OTR, attached SFHs in Mt. Adams, rowhouses in Prospect Hill, etc.

Sorry @Clefan98, I meant these numbers. Population in a given radius out from downtown.

Can you explain this? What does 'urbanity' mean to you and how do you measure it? This discussion about population density and corresponding levels of urbanity has been had countless times on UO before, and probably will be had countless more times here in the future. It seems that forumers from Cleveland, and to a lesser extent Cincinnati, feel a disconnect between what the population/density data shows, and what they feel on the ground. Cleveland, it's argued, feels like a bigger, denser city than Columbus, but none of the data that is commonly posted here backs that up. So, why is this? Cleveland has taller buildings than Columbus and Cincinnati. It has real rail transit, while Columbus has none and Cincy only has a small streetcar line. Downtown Cleveland has wide streets and that Great Lakes grandeur in its scale that the older, tighter Cincy doesn't. Downtown Columbus is....unimpressive (I think most people can agree on that, not trying to be controversial here) and seems smaller and considerably less active than the other 2 C's downtowns. These things all surely contribute to the mental disconnect people have when presented population data that shows Cbus as the densest city in the state. Also, Cleveland and Cincinnati have areas that are structurally denser than anything I've seen in Columbus. There is no equivalent to Lakewood's Gold Coast in the rest of the state, just as there is nowhere in the state that comes close to the structural density of OTR. Columbus doesn't have an area one can easily point to as an example of a highly urban and dense neighborhood, though High Street is becoming somewhat of an Ohio version of Wilshire Blvd. What Columbus lacks in these marquis areas it makes up for in consistent, nearly uninterrupted density across much of the city and metro. Cbus posters can downplay the effects of geography, but there is no arguing that the lack of hills and giant bodies of water have allowed Columbus to develop a uniform density that just isn't possible in Cincinnati and Cleveland. This discussion reminds me of the classic line about metro LA being denser than metro NY. One looks at the skyscrapers of Manhattan and the low rise development of LA and think there's no way NY is less dense. But LA has filled in basically its entire metro with wall to wall development. There are no large gaps except for mountainous areas, while New York has all sorts of gaps in its metro area, and some very low density suburbs and exurbs, while even 60 miles out from LA, development is still on small, uniform lots, and the density is pretty high. NY has a much higher weighted density, and I don't think anyone could argue it feels more classically urban than car loving, sprawling Southern California, but the numbers are the numbers. I think this is basically the dynamic at play in the Cleveland vs Columbus discussion.

Oh yeah, no doubt about that. Urban renewal was absolutely brutal to Ohio’s cities. Cincinnati has a huge desolate zone of light industrial parks just west of Downtown in what was formerly incredibly dense, OTR like neighborhoods. I follow the Historic Photos of Cleveland thread, and it’s amazing to see how dense and vibrant these east side neighborhoods were. I think some of those streets near Coventry that are lined with historic apartment buildings still have that very dense, big city feel that much of the east side used to have.

Eh, I'd say in parts of Cleveland this is true, but in parts it's definitely not. I remember taking an uber from Downtown to Little Italy a few years back. The driver drove down Carnegie (I think) for much of the trip, and there were wide expanses of just nothingness. Not abandoned buildings, or buildings that are only partially occupied, but just urban prairies almost. That near east side, combined with the massive industrial valley, are all very light on population and density (both built environment and population). There are other areas in Cleveland and its inner burbs, of course, that are very dense and built up in ways that the other 2 Cs aren't really, for a variety of reasons.

How has the city been dragging its feet on this project? In my opinion, it's been moving pretty fast. It was just an idea like 5 years ago, and it's already moving forward with phase 2. The Ohio River trail, connecting downtown to the Little Miami trail, has been talked about for decades and not much progress has been made.

I'm a fan of this project, and I think it has the potential to be a huge asset for the neighborhoods it goes through, especially if it actually is able to connect to the Little Miami trail. But I do agree that the leadership seems a bit obnoxious and disinterested in details. I asked how they were planning on addressing the Madison and Edwards mess of an intersection on the WW Facebook group a couple years ago, and was accused of being a trouble maker and negative. It was astounding, really, because I've been a big supporter of the project from the time it was announced (was living in Cincy at the time). Regardless, it will be nice to see that eyesore rail bridge over 71 painted and rehabbed, and I think the trail crossing the freeway will help to better connect Evanston and Norwood with Hyde Park, which is a good thing. If the apartment development on Madison by the Larosas ever goes forward, we could even have a bit of a bike TOD situation. I could definitely see Xavier students or employees living there and commuting via the bike trail, which would be pretty cool.

I agree with you about the importance of preserving mid-century architecture, however a lot of the buildings from this time period utilized terrible site plans that make them problematic in urban areas. In the case of the Salvation Army building, there is a moat of parking separating the building from 12th Street. Brutalism and non-residential mid century modern architecture often created sites that either ignore, or are actively hostile to their surroundings, which is part of what makes them difficult for preservationists. See the Terrace Plaza as exhibit A in this discussion...

How do you define masculinity, then? I think a lot of people who argue against toxic masculinity would say the very same thing you are. Dismantle the associations we, as a society, arbitrarily decided to assign to the different genders, and let kids be kids and people be people.

Liberals don't have control of the media. If they did, the major networks would have refused to air Trump's recent address on the shut down and border security, like they did when Obama wanted to make a similar immigration related address.