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For real? I think the local black population might have something to say about giving away free plots of land to immigrants, seeing how their 40 acres and a mule never materialized... Everything you're describing would be desirable for all people, not just immigrants. If something like guaranteed protection in dangerous neighborhoods and public schools that forbid gangbanging and disruption" was possible, why would the city just reserve these things for new immigrants? Beyond the impossibility of implementing many of these ideas, it seems totally unfair that immigrants would receive these things while people who have been in these neighborhoods for generations would not.This is one of the more head scratching posts I've ever seen on this forum.

The comparison to Procter and Gamble is an interesting one, and I could see Sherwin Williams following a similar path, with a corporate headquarters downtown, and a separate R&D campus elsewhere. P&G's largest R&D center is out in Mason, and they just completed a $300 million expansion to add more lab space, which really isn't practical to integrate in a high rise office tower. The Mason center alone is now 2 million square feet of lab and office space! Of the 95,000 employees world wide, they employ about 10,000 people in greater Cincinnati, 3,000 of which are in Mason. I can't find the numbers for downtown, but I think it's about 3-5,000 at the HQ. Perhaps SW will take a similar approach, and either expand the R&D facility by the river or move that out to the burbs, while consolidating its more corporate headquarter jobs in a new tower downtown. If anyone is interested in learning a bit more about the new R&D facilities, you can read about it here

So many issue with this building. 1) What is that blank brick wall on the corner, and why does it extend past the 'cornice'? 2) Why is the cornice vinyl? 3) Why is the center part of the cornice raised? It looks like a terrible alteration and new facade covering an old Mission Revival building or something. 4) The low archway and very deeply recessed commercial space

My god that’s hideous.

You introduced the comparison to PBS to say "people and businesses had to move and the world kept spinning." I said, I don't know if drawing a comparison to PBS is fruitful for FCC supporters, seeing how it was a complete disaster. You reply back with "To compare this stadium to the Paul brown deal is just stupid." Since you introduced the comparison in the first place, you are calling yourself stupid. That is all.

Is this what the kids call a self own?

Not sure using the Bengals stadium as a precedent does any favors for FCC. That project was wayyy over budget, and is one of the worst stadium deals in the country, from the taxpayers and city perspective. Of course, Jeff Berding was also responsible for much of that mess, and he used many of the same tricks then, too. Only with the Bengals, the sense of false urgency came from the threat of the Bengals leaving, while he used the threat of FCC missing out on an MLS bid this time around. He's a snake oil salesman, but it seems like the majority of people have fallen for his tricks once again. And the local media is either too hapless or in the pockets or scared of FCC leadership (Lindners) to do any real reporting on any of this...

I really love Glendale. Went to elementary school there and fondly remember walking to 'the square' to get candy and ice cream at the locally owned pharmacy and a little deli called Toad's. Both of which are unfortunately long gone, but the Blue Bird Bakery is still there, and still makes the best scones I've had anywhere haha. The cream cheese scone is particularly crave worthy. They used to have a nice coffee shop there called Kangaroo Coffee, but they closed many years ago, too. I think it's now a hair salon. Glendale and Wyoming are two wonderful communities that fly under the radar for most Cincinnatians.

Normally, it’s up to the applicant to prove that there are site specific challenges that can’t be worked around in order to be granted a variance. If the development can go forward without this parcel, and FCC doesn’t adequately argue why they need these buildings, the city would be completely within its right to deny the request for a variance. Of course we still haven’t seen a final site plan, so I don’t know if anyone knows what the plans actually are for this site... The people arguing against the tenants here are largely the same people who argued against the school board’s complaints, the symphony’s concerns about noise, etc. In isolation, each of these issues seem pretty small and maybe even petty if you’re a staunch FCC supporter. But when you look at this situation from the start, it’s clear that FCC has handled this stadium project about as poorly as an organization can. They came up with this plan at the last minute and then expected everyone to just roll over and let them do whatever they wanted so they could make the supposed deadlines established by MLS, which we all now know were false deadlines. Sorry, but that’s not how things work, and they shouldn’t work that way. You can’t totally ignore the concerns of community members and other institutions in the area that you’re moving into and then label them as obstructionists when they don’t play along with everything. Again, we still don’t have a final site plan or even know what this stadium is going to look like and it’s actively under construction. That alone wouldn’t fly in most cities. FCC has gotten more passes than they should have throughout this ordeal, and I don’t feel a lick of sympathy for whatever minor roadblock these poor people of the West End are throwing up at the moment.

If moving into a neighborhood and forcing all the existing residents to move counts as being a decent neighbor, I’d hate to see what you think a bad neighbor looks like.

^ That dude's a clown and has no business running for anything. But this is way off topic and should (or shouldn't, probably) be taken over to the appropriate section of the forum.

I actually think Cincy might have a shot at seeing some more transit in coming years due to the new congressional map that will almost certainly result in the city/county gaining a Democratic representative in congress. If we get a Democrat in the WH in 2020, retain the Dem majority in the County, and elect a sensible mayor, it seems like the stars could be aligned for at least streetcar expansion, if not the beginnings of a true regional rail transit system.

I think there are a ton of Steeler fans in Cbus, too.

Great photos, please continue to share more with us! It's encouraging to see development starting to spread to McMicken. I imagine this same photo tour will look much different in 5 years or so.

^ @troeros I thought W. 6th WAS the Warehouse District...? I think everyone agrees that those parking lots between the WHD and the rest of Downtown completely suck, and I actually agree that the retail and street level activity in most of downtown Cleveland is lacking even compared to Downtown Cincy (which certainly isn’t great, either). But your original comment about Cleveland was inappropriate and unnecessary. No need to take cheap shots at other cities like that.

@DEPACincy I was thinking of Evanston west of 71, but even the 5 Points/walnut Hills HS area is a pretty far walk to Madison and Woodburn, and quite a lengthy walk to O’Brionville, no?

Cool ? sorry, I honestly meant no offense!

Fair enough. I actually have roots in Appalachia myself and while I think it’s a REACH to equate either of those words with the N word or other ethnic slurs, I understand how they can be seen as offensive. Btw I don’t equate all Appalachians with hillbillies. You can be from Appalachia and not keep a busted down washing machine in the front yard, display the confederate flag, etc. I think of those as being hillbilly behavior- not Appalachian.

I'd like to see examples of where gentrification is occurring in Pittsburgh, Columbus, Cincinnati...maybe Louisville and Nashville, too. Those cities all have decent Appalachian and Black communities. If I had to bet, I would say gentrification is happening more in the Black parts of town than in the Appalachian areas. In places with decent Hispanic populations, there is definitely a trend of those neighborhoods gentrifying before Black neighborhoods. You can look at examples from LA to the Bay Area to Miami and this holds true. Cincinnati's Hispanic population is so pathetically small that we can't really observe this trend, but it has definitely played out in Chicago, where Mexican and Puerto Rican neighborhoods are gentrifying while Black neighborhoods continue to empty out and receive little investment. And to your point about there being nothing to walk to in Norwood, what is there to walk to in Evanston or Madisonville? Even Walnut Hills has very little in the way of businesses to walk to, yet all three of those neighborhoods are on the upswing and seeing decent levels of reinvestment, while Norwood (outside of Rookwood) continues to stagnate. Covington has amazing, beautiful building stock throughout the city, but by and large, it is not seeing much in the way of new investment outside of the riverfront and Main Strasse areas. I had a couple friends who lived in a beautiful building on Greenup Street with incredibly cheap rent, and they ended up moving because they said the neighborhood was just too redneck. Both are Asian and had unfortunate incidents with hillbillies yelling racial slurs in the 2 years they lived there. They ended up moving to Corryville, which they said felt less safe at night, but otherwise offered a more comfortable living environment. Hipsters do often proclaim to love Bluegrass and other Appalachian cultural elements, but we all know people can love the culture and be intolerant of the people. White people love to braid their hair when they go to the Bahamas, but a black guy with corn rows still might cause Becky to cross the street....it's really a classic situation that plays out all the time.

^ Generally speaking, I think it is true that hipsters and early gentrifiers tend to avoid “hillbilly” neighborhoods. Nationally, it seems to be the case that Hispanic (and ethnic white neighborhoods in places like Chicago) are the first to gentrify. Black neighborhoods are slower to gentrify, and Appalachian are slower still. Look at how Norwood continues to be Norwood while the Hyde Park aspirational crowd has moved on to Pleasant Ridge and Madisonville rather than Norwood which is much closer and more centrally located.

The article mentioned this very thing: "The Central American migration to East Price Hill and surrounding neighborhoods also has resulted in people moving from suburban Springdale and Fairfield. Fernandez said that's because some migrants believe they're safer in a larger community. They also are nearer to necessary education, social and legal services in Cincinnati as compared to other areas locally." It's interesting because this is not the trend nationally. We are seeing more "ethnoburbs" as immigrants forego the historic trend of settling in urban neigborhoods and forming ethnic enclaves like Chinatowns and the like, and instead locate immediately in the suburbs. This was the case for a while, as Cincinnati had almost no Hispanic presence in the city, but a decent community up in Springdale/Fairfield/Hamilton areas, but now it's reversing. Butler County's extreme conservatism and their crazy racist sheriff is shifting the community to the city. Their loss. Anecdotally, I did some work for a non-profit about 4 years ago, and one of the projects involved handing out lunches to impoverished children. We went to a couple of sites in East Price Hill, and the overwhelming majority of children who came out to get the lunches were Mexican and Central American. A lot of those apartment buildings in this area are packed (probably way overcrowded) with Hispanic families. I don't remember seeing much of a visible presence in the area, though. Very few restaurants or stores, signs in Spanish, etc. Hopefully as the community becomes more settled, their visibility will increase, and they can populate some of the storefronts in the commercial corridors of Price Hill.

Cincy to the rescue!

Yeah, it absolutely affects commuters from Warren County. It also affects a lot of people in Hamilton County. @DEPACincy was making it sound like this project was being built to ease the commute of people to the exurbs, and I was saying that it affects a lot of people in the region's core county, and a fair amount of people in the city limits, too. I never said that traffic jams only affect people who live near them- where did you get that from?

^ Warren County?? That bottle neck effects many people in Hamilton County, including neighborhoods within the city limits. Are you trying to say this fix isn't needed? The interstate abruptly goes from 4 lanes down to just 2, which causes massive backups literally every day. The fix is pretty simple and cheap, too. I don't see what's not to like about this. It's not like they're adding additional lanes to try to increase capacity, thus inducing more traffic. It's just eliminating a pinch point that doesn't need to exist.

Yeah, but where does the 'ribbon of road' start and stop? I don't even know the 4 level interchange you're talking about because of the names you're using! The 110 is called the Harbor Freeway because it goes down to Long Beach and the Harbor. The Arroyo Seco is actually a parkway, and is one of the first expressways in the country, but it's also designated as the 110 because it's basically a continuation of it north of DTLA. The Santa Ana (I-5) is also called the Golden State freeway. It makes sense to call the 101 the Hollywood Freeway between downtown and Hollywood, but after it crosses the mountains and enters the valley and beyond, it doesn't seem tethered or connected to Hollywood at all. Same with the 405 being called the San Diego Freeway. Where does one segment begin and end? I think it's all very confusing unless the entire freeway is named and referred to by that name. In Cincinnati, the Norwood Lateral and Cross County/Ronald Reagan make sense.