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I only mentioned census tracts because you should be able to find a more equitable area to compare, but there would still be complaints because of things like different geographical features and vacant land. So I don't really agree with the premise that going by area size necessarily means the comparison will be accepted anymore than city boundaries would be, and I don't think the results will be as equitable as people expect, anyway.

It's kind of a silly expectation to only compare places with exact or very similar size boundaries. You would be able to compare very few places that way, and being the same area size does not mean two places are in any way similar otherwise. Chicago and Columbus are not peer cities. There are lots of ways to measure, anyway. Urbanized area, county, metro, etc. We could even go down to the tract level and try to find comparable area sizes if you'd prefer, but I guarantee it'd be a mistake to assume Columbus only has more immigrants due to its larger boundaries, especially vs Cincinnati as I mentioned earlier.

If you look at county and metro numbers, there's still a large disparity, though. The Columbus metro had over 211K foreign-born, while both Cincinnati and Cleveland were between 121K-125K, for example. What's also interesting is that Columbus' foreign-born population is much more concentrated in the city itself, and has the highest concentration in the core county. % of Total Metro Foreign-born in Core City Cincinnati: 16.71% Cleveland: 18.15% Columbus: 59.69% % of Metro Foreign-born in Core County Hamilton: 39.28% Cuyahoga: 77.26% Franklin: 78.71% You could argue the larger city boundaries include more of that population in Columbus, since Cuyahoga and Franklin have a similar county level, but definitely not for Cincinnati, which has the majority of its immigrant population out in the greater metro than in Hamilton County.

Finally, here are the biggest changes between 2010-2022 for each city. Total Foreign-Born Change and % Change Cincinnati: +7,452 +55.41% Cleveland: +3,118 +16.47% Columbus: +48,094 +61.56% Top 10 Nations of Origin with the Largest Total Growth Cincinnati Ethiopia: +938 Guatemala: +901 Ivory Coast +655 India: +606 China: +593 Senegal: +509 Honduras: +452 Congo: +448 Nigeria: +447 Algeria: +407 Cleveland Bhutan: +674 Syria: +502 Nepal: +496 Dominican Republic: +360 Afghanistan: +300 China: +283 Congo: +269 Morocco: +265 Nigeria: +264 Honduras: +252 Columbus India: +4,654 Somalia: +4,380 Bhutan: +4,057 Ghana: +3,390 China: +2,535 Nepal: +2,514 Ethiopia: +2,237 El Salvador: +1,862 Kenya: +1,841 Dominican Republic: +1,780 Total Nations of Origin that Grew by at least 500 Cincinnati: 6 Cleveland: 2 Columbus: 27 Top 10 Nations of Origin with the Largest % Growth Cincinnati Bahamas: +3250.0% Nigeria: +1943.48% Nepal: +1658.33% Honduras: +961.7% Iraq: +888.89% Ethiopia: +579.01% Chile: +560.0% Ghana: +477.5% Argentina: +461.54% Pakistan: +380.0% Cleveland India: +810.53% West Indies: +778.95% Kenya: +696.3% Syria: +557.78% Morocco: +481.82% Ireland: +310.34% Ethiopia: +280.95% Nicaragua: +252.17% Pakistan: +244.62% Singapore: +244.44% Columbus Nepal: +1698.65% Venezuela: +1244.68% Sudan: +1113.04% Afghanistan: +726.32% Cameroon: +506.53% Eritrea: +353.57% Morocco: +335.25% South Africa: +326.67% Macedonia: +313.21% Honduras: +274.31% Total Nations of Origin that Grew by at least 100% Cincinnati: 49 Cleveland: 43 Columbus: 48

Oceania is a very small part of overall foreign-born in the 3-Cs. Total Foreign-Born from all Continents and % of Total Population Cincinnati: 20,901 6.75% Cleveland: 22,050 6.1% Columbus: 126,215 13.9% Total Oceanians and % of All Foreign-Born Cincinnati: 94 0.45% Cleveland: 39 0.18% Columbus: 423 0.34% Total Oceanians by Region and % of All Oceanian Foreign-Born The census does not break this area down by region. There are just a handful of nations tallied within this region, with Australia being the main one. Here is the % of total for Australians of all Oceanians. Cincinnati: 87 92.55% Cleveland: 39 100% Columbus: 186 43.97%

South America Total Foreign-Born from all Continents and % of Total Population Cincinnati: 20,901 6.75% Cleveland: 22,050 6.1% Columbus: 126,215 13.9% Total South Americans and % of All Foreign-Born Cincinnati: 673 3.22% Cleveland: 942 4.27% Columbus: 4,201 3.33% Total South Americans by Region and % of All South American Foreign-Born The census doesn't break down South America by regions. Top 5 South American Nations of Origin and % of All South American Foreign-Born Residents Cincinnati Colombia: 179 26.6% Argentina: 146 21.69% Brazil: 105 15.6% Chile: 99 14.715 Peru: 54 8.02% Cleveland Guyana: 292 31.0% Peru: 184 19.53% Colombia: 147 15.61% Ecuador: 147 15.61% Brazil: 98 10.4% Columbus Venezuela: 1,264 30.09% Brazil: 1,076 25.61% Colombia: 777 18.5% Ecuador: 544 12.95% Peru: 185 4.4% Total South American Nations of Origin with at least 100 Foreign-Born Residents Cincinnati: 3 Cleveland: 4 Columbus: 7

North America Total Foreign-Born from all Continents and % of Total Population Cincinnati: 20,901 6.75% Cleveland: 22,050 6.1% Columbus: 126,215 13.9% Total North Americans and % of All Foreign-Born Cincinnati: 4,766 22.8% Cleveland: 5,285 23.97% Columbus: 23,671 18.75% Total North Americans by Region and % of All North American Foreign-Born Caribbean Cincinnati: 689 14.46% Cleveland: 1,728 32.7% Columbus: 5,544 23.42% Central America Cincinnati: 3,687 77.36% Cleveland: 3,046 57.63% Columbus: 16,795 70.95% Northern America Cincinnati: 390 8.18% Cleveland: 511 9.67% Columbus: 1,332 5.63% Top 5 North American Nations of Origin and % of All North American Foreign-Born Cincinnati Guatemala: 1,922 40.33% Mexico: 912 19.14% Honduras: 499 10.47% Jamaica: 442 9.27% Canada: 390 8.18% Cleveland Mexico: 1,222 23.12% Dominican Republic: 794 15.02% Guatemala: 614 11.62% El Salvador: 417 7.89% Honduras: 416 7.87% Columbus Mexico: 10,034 42.39% El Salvador: 3,404 14.38% Dominican Republic: 2,584 10.92% Honduras: 1,763 7.45% Haiti: 1,581 6.68% Total North American Nations of Origin with at least 100 Foreign-Born Residents Cincinnati: 6 Cleveland: 12 Columbus: 13

African Foreign-Born Total Foreign-Born from all Continents and % of Total Population Cincinnati: 20,901 6.75% Cleveland: 22,050 6.1% Columbus: 126,215 13.9% Total Africans and % of All Foreign-Born Cincinnati: 6,719 32.15% Cleveland: 2,625 11.9% Columbus: 46,555 36.89% Total Africans by Region and % of All African Foreign-Born Eastern Africa Cincinnati: 1,807 26.89% Cleveland: 667 25.41% Columbus: 21,447 46.07% Middle Africa Cincinnati: 529 7.87% Cleveland: 347 13.22% Columbus: 2,254 4.84% Northern Africa Cincinnati: 758 11.28% Cleveland: 581 22.13% Columbus: 4,243 9.11% Southern Africa Cincinnati: 79 1.18% Cleveland: 49 1.87% Columbus: 650 1.4% Western Africa Cincinnati: 2,717 40.44% Cleveland: 981 37.37% Columbus: 15,109 32.45% Top 5 African Nations of Origin and % of All African Foreign-Born Cincinnati Ethiopia: 1,100 16.37% Ivory Coast: 655 9.75% Senegal: 509 7.58% Nigeria: 470 7.0% Congo: 448 6.67% Cleveland Nigeria: 555 21.14% Morocco: 320 12.19% Congo: 269 10.25% Kenya: 215 8.19% Tanzania: 212 8.08% Columbus Somalia: 11,494 24.69% Ghana: 5,771 12.4% Ethiopia: 3,694 7.93% Kenya: 3,232 6.94% Sierra Leone: 2,093 4.5% Total African Nations of Origin with at least 100 Foreign-Born Residents Cincinnati: 12 Cleveland: 8 Columbus: 23

Next up, Asian Foreign-Born Total Foreign-Born from all Continents and % of Total Population Cincinnati: 20,901 6.75% Cleveland: 22,050 6.1% Columbus: 126,215 13.9% Total Asians and % of All Foreign-Born Cincinnati: 6,262 29.96% Cleveland: 9,064 41.11% Columbus: 43,515 34.48% Total Asians by Region and % of All Asian Foreign-Born Eastern Asia Cincinnati: 2,211 35.31% Cleveland: 2,383 26.29% Columbus: 10,458 24.03% South-Central Asia Cincinnati: 2,404 38.39% Cleveland: 3,143 34.68% Columbus: 22,104 50.8% South-Eastern Asia Cincinnati: 1,080 17.25% Cleveland: 1,370 15.11% Columbus: 6,597 15.16% Western Asia Cincinnati: 546 8.72% Cleveland: 1,794 19.79% Columbus: 4,200 9.65% Top 5 Asian Nations of Origin and % of All Asian Foreign-Born Cincinnati India: 1,379 22.02% China: 1,312 20.95% Korea: 520 8.3% Vietnam: 390 6.23% Philippines: 380 6.07% Cleveland China: 1,811 19.98% India: 1,216 13.42% Bhutan: 674 7.44% Philippines: 618 6.82% Syria: 592 6.53% Columbus India: 12,644 29.06% China: 6,416 14.74% Bhutan: 4,057 9.32% Nepal: 2,662 6.12% Philippines: 2,064 4.74% Total Asian Nations of Origin with at least 100 Foreign-Born Residents Cincinnati: 12 Cleveland: 18 Columbus: 32

Back in September, I posted the latest numbers for counties on ethnicity. This time, here are the new numbers of foreign-born residents by place of birth for cities in 2022. I will break it down by continent, region and country, as well as the % of all foreign-born residents. First up is Europe. Total Foreign-Born from all Continents and % of Total Population Cincinnati: 20,901 6.75% Cleveland: 22,050 6.1% Columbus: 126,215 13.9% Total Europeans and % of All Foreign-Born Cincinnati: 2,387 11.42% Cleveland: 4,095 18.57% Columbus: 7,850 6.22% Total Europeans by Region and % of All European Foreign-Born Northern Europe Cincinnati: 435 18.22% Cleveland: 407 9.94% Columbus: 1,329 16.93% Eastern Europe Cincinnati: 1,101 46.12% Cleveland: 2,410 58.85% Columbus: 4,167 53.08% Southern Europe Cincinnati: 296 12.40% Cleveland: 591 14.43% Columbus: 744 9.48% Western Europe Cincinnati: 555 23.25% Cleveland: 687 16.78% Columbus: 1,610 20.51% Top 5 European Nations of Origin and % of All European Foreign-Born Cincinnati Romania: 270 11.31% Germany: 267 11.19% Spain: 192 8.04% France: 187 7.83% England: 150 6.28% Cleveland Romania: 519 12.67% Germany: 518 12.65% Poland: 459 11.21% Italy: 325 7.94% Ukraine: 312 7.62% Columbus Ukraine: 1,147 14.61% Germany: 852 10.85% Russia: 829 10.56% England: 537 6.84% Macedonia: 438 5.58% Total European Nations of Origin with at least 100 Foreign-Born Residents Cincinnati: 6 Cleveland: 10 Columbus: 18

Austin Beigel, the guy behind this, is a far-Right religious whackjob and a real piece of work of the highest order. On abortion, he believes that life begins at fertilization, that there should be no exceptions for rape or incest- but curiously supports capital punishment for crimes of rape and even kidnapping- and wants to repeal the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances act, apparently so religious people can harrass and physically prevent people from seeking reproductive health services. Here is his website for his Ohio House run: https://www.austinbeigel.com His "issues" page is a real wow.

I agree. I'm not sure if there would be some way for the Biden administration to enforce the promises that they will honor union agreements, but if so, that would go a long way. Also, from what I understand, Nippon already owns several entities in the US which are unionized- at least according to them- so it doesn't seem like they are automatically hostile to unions in the first place.

To be honest, I tend to think the state overall didn't actually lose- or lost a lot less- during the Covid era, and this is just kind of making up for that. Also, these estimates are for 2023.

Ohio, which has a huge Japanese corporate presence. My dad worked for Honda Marysville for like 25 years and that was a good job. People are freaking out over this, but foreign companies have lots of presence in the US, and own many brands. The US also has presence in other countries. I feel like the objections are mostly just slightly coded nationalism.

100% chance he signs it. I don't know why he's acting like it's a difficult decision for him.

Well, the legislature certainly isn't better than this.

I'm not sure we can trust your judgement on this considering you support a movement that promoted horse paste and bleach during a pandemic, considers Donald Trump a good Christian leader, and that Ohio Republicans aren't actually undermining democratic results when they obviously are. Being "out there"- in more ways than one, mind you- is now literally the Republican brand.

I mean before that, when he was sort of listening to Amy Acton and other medical science. Yes, he eventually crapped the bed, but a lot of people clearly gave him credit for this. There wasn't any other reason a bunch of blue voters supported him.

6 of the 8 reliably blue counties in the state voted for DeWine. There was a lot of crossover vote, along with people not showing up. I guess some of them were fooled by his performance on Covid, but a Republican conservative is still a Republican conservative. Them performing moderately rationally on one issue doesn't mean in any way that they will on anything else.

Sure, there could be people like that. But they didn't vote for that bill, they voted for Issue 2 and what was in it. You're making huge leaps to say that Republicans are justified in making changes because some people who voted yes *might* have actually been uncomfortable with some of the details. You have no actual evidence that's true, though, nor can you specifically support that- should those people exist- they wanted the exact changes Republicans are proposing. It could easily go the other way, where some people who voted yes may have wanted Issue 2 to go even further than it did and are doubly unhappy it's going in the wrong direction. You are simply grasping at excuses here.

Yes, I have contacted representatives, along with thousands of others. It's really not that hard. Whether they ultimately listen when they actually vote on the bill is another story. I generally assume that when someone gives an affirmative vote on an issue, that indicates support of the proposal put in front of them. There's nothing illogical or strange about that. It's literally the most rational conclusion based on the evidence. It is, however, weird for you to believe an affirmative vote somehow doesn't mean support, and if anything, it means support for significant changes against what that affirmative vote was for. You are trying to argue black is actually white here. The voters shouldn't have to compromise what they voted for- not at 0%, not at 75%. That's what you continuously fail to understand or address. You act as if Republicans have earned some kind of right to change the results, but they haven't. They were opposed to Issue 2. They lost. Therefore their duty wasn't to make changes, it was to set the rules within the standards set by the voters. All the ad-hominems on my intelligence and education won't change that.

No, the people of Ohio absolutely do not have to wait and see what comes out. As other people have already repeatedly told you, waiting until any changes are approved means it's already too late to do anything about them. And yes, why wouldn't I and others take any changes as ignoring the will of the voters? The voters didn't ask for changes, they asked for what they voted for. Even if the proposed changes don't end up as drastic as Republicans wanted, it will still mean they decided they knew better than the voters, and still engaged in anti-democratic action. And the only reason those changes may not end up as terrible as originally proposed is because enough people are expressing anger at the GOP, and Republicans are worried about greater backlash. Not worried enough to stop making changes, but trying to change the narrative by pretending to compromise. The GOP wanted no home grow at all, along with many other significant changes. Coming halfway back is still halfway from what we voted for. That's not a win for Ohioans. More personal deflections and ad-hominems. I blame the Republicans for what they do, for what they believe, for the actual damage they're causing across multiple issues. Republicans are not principled contrarians, they are extremists who represent a dire threat to democratic rule and the rights of all citizens.

Yes, I usually blame the people actually doing the action for the action. Who else should we be talking about? I will ask again, is what the Republicans are doing following the will of Ohio voters? Yes or no? It's a simple question requiring a very simple answer.

I don't think he's defending the changes because he truly believes they won't be enforced. He's defending them because just outright saying the party he supports is subverting the will of Ohioans is too uncomfortable an admission. Because if you admit they're doing it on this, what about gerrymandering? What about election results? Can't afford to fall down that rabbit hole of acknowledging reality and responsibility. Can't afford to admit this is not actually the same Republican Party of old. Because then he and others might have to look themselves in the mirror and accept what they've really been supporting in the name of party loyalty.

You're desperately trying to skirt the issue here. A lot of the proposed changes Republicans want to make are in direct contradiction to the specifics within the bill Ohioans voted for. It's not just a matter of the legislature determining how to follow through with the passed legislation- they are directly undermining what it said and what Ohioans wanted. It's not about me. I don't smoke, so the rule changes won't affect me whatsoever. The proposed changes will absolutely affect those that do, however. Also, you do realize that people can be against anti-democratic action regardless if it directly affects them, right? That's called having consistent principles. You should try it sometime.