jonoh81

And now we wait for the site plan...

Didn't see this one posted. Looks like a 3-story mixed-use.

I know it's not Clintonville or GV, but are NIMBYs going to try to stop this?

I really don't get the size reduction, especially in terms of the reduced residential. It's not necessarily about the height, but surely there is still more than enough demand to make the financials work for the original number of units- or more. These obviously aren't going to be affordable, so are they really saying they couldn't make money with more?

As long as they are maintained and checked regularly, I don't foresee any serious issues. These aren't strictly for the homeless. They are for the public in general. Finding a public restroom in many cities can be a challenge whether your homeless, visiting as a tourist or having a sudden emergency.

Definitely think turnout will be higher just because it'll be November when turnout is always higher. And I think Issue 1 was far more confusing to people than this will be, and that will also help turnout. The GOP was able to create all sorts of false messaging about Issue 1 to muddy its actual intent. While they will absolutely lie about what the abortion amendment will and won't do, they have to tread the line far more carefully because this is absolutely a losing issue for them. They will have to build this up as being too extreme rather than just directly coming out against all abortion, which is going to limit what they can do. Still, I do agree that the margins will be similar to polling and Issue 1 results, maybe a few points higher if young people really turn out.

No, but I am saying it's a false argument to act like the 50+1 vote in Ohio was somehow unusual for the state or national democratic system in the US. It's not, at all. It's standard procedure in almost all cases at every level, and none of you Yes backers were ever able to give a single coherent argument about why the 50+1 for Ohio was so bad, especially when Issue 1 absolutely did not address any of the supposed problems, particularly with out-of-state lobbying.

NEO really needs to turn out more in presidential, senate and governor elections. It was the region of the state that had the biggest red shift from 2012-2016, and didn't recover that much 2016-2020. Cuyahoga and Summit are really the only reliably blue counties left.

https://vote.franklincountyohio.gov/elections A map of how Franklin County precincts voted. Not a single one north of I-70 voted yes on Issue 1, and no major suburb voted yes, including MAGA suburbs like Grove City and Canal Winchester.

Columbus metro counties may be resuming their trend of turning more blue over time. I know this isn't a presidential or governor election, but it still could indicate trends. Delaware County voted solidly no by 15 points, and it has been steadily trending less red for several election cycles. I actually think there's a growing chance it could turn blue for the long-term as early as 2024. In Fairfield County, the Yes vote barely won, by just over 400 votes, and in Licking County, Yes won by just a few thousand out of almost 49,000.

Which will make November's vote very tough for them in regards to advertising. How are they going to advertise against an issue most Ohioans support? If anything, support for abortion rights has been growing due to their efforts.

What's with the farmer stuff? What proposed amendments are people talking about that would affect farming? I can only think of the minimum wage increase, but that's basically Republicans admitting they want slave labor.

Why do you think they misunderstood the qualification stuff? Had it passed, it obviously would've significantly reduced the political power of all Ohioans. Maybe they understood it just fine and didn't agree with the Republican position. GOP/conservatives have never been able to explain why the state constitution should not be simple majority. Almost all of our democratic system runs on a simple majority vote. Presidents need a simple majority of EVs. Governors are elected via simple majority. Senators and Representatives, both at the federal and state level are elected that way. So are mayors, city council members, school boards, etc. SCOTUS rules via a simple majority. Most votes in Congress just require a simple majority. Almost all states pass amendments via a simple majority. Even with national constitutional amendments, while it needs a supermajority of states to pass, each state can pass it via a simple majority. The entire idea that a simple majority is somehow unwise, unusual, unrepresentative, unreasonable or "too easy" is just not supportable whatsoever when almost everything within our system has used it since the nation's founding. It's just one more example of Republicans trying to create a problem where it doesn't exist.

The river counties of Appalachia aren't actually nearly as conservative as say, the northern Miami Valley or the Indiana border. They are more red than they used to be, but the margins were not 50-70 points like they were elsewhere.

Small conservative counties always count the fastest. The larger, and bluer, counties tend to come in more slowly. Yes still looks like a comfortable loss. I saw most predictions for the final tally being around 58% no, 42% yes, so I wonder if we'll see something like that in the end.

This is looking like a bloodbath for Republicans on Issue 1. If the margins end up anywhere near where they currently are, that would be a huge embarrassment for LaRose and his fascist friends.

Again, you're still arguing about things that aren't the actual issues. The problem is not that people have a vote. We should be banning lobbying and outside money, and perhaps requiring clean bills, not for the end of Ohioans having a democratic voice. You're not fixing anything. You're just taking away a right and ensuring even more corruption at the top.

One guy elsewhere literally told me that if the Democrats are against it, it must be good. Not exactly deep thinkers. It's basically the "I'll jump off a bridge if Democrats tell me it's dangerous" logic.

Bringing up the US Constitution is another one. "If it's good enough for national amendments, why not Ohio!?" But even the Founders thought a simple 50+1 majority at the national level was okay, as that's all it takes for a US constitutional amendment to pass any individual state. The vast majority of states also require just a simple majority for a state constitutional amendment to pass. Issue 1 would make Ohio's standards harder than any of the 49 other states, and the hardest of any of the states that allow citizen-led initiatives. State legislatures, including in Ohio, are responsible for almost all initiatives that make it to ballot, so Issue 1 would essentially punish Ohioans for a problem with the legislature's abuse.

You're arguing against the wrong thing. It's not a problem that people can put ballot initiatives up for vote. That's literally democracy even if we might disagree with individual positions. That's why we vote. Don't like outside money, why not ban that? Why not ban lobbying? Instead, you'd argue that we should give up our democratic voice instead? Doesn't make any sense at all. BTW, a 6-week abortion ban is extremist, and it made it on the ballot in part through out-of-state special interests and funding.

That's the thing, isn't it. Even if Issue 1 fails spectacularly, we will almost certainly see another version of this in a future election. Or they'll simply attempt to ignore the results. Again, Republicans won't abandon their agenda, they will abandon the rules, constitutional norms and democracy.

I don't know. I certainly wouldn't say it's in the bag for No, but this is asking people to give up their rights to the government, a historically very unpopular position. Look at how the removal of abortion rights have gone for Republicans even in red states. Republicans have been gaslighting and lying incredibly hard in their Vote Yes advertising, throwing everything from parental rights to child sex changes to the 2nd Amendment into the mix, but as effective as I think this kind of fear propaganda usually is, Republicans may just be complicating the message too much to the point where a lot of people are confused. The alternative message is very simple- maintain majority rule and existing citizen democratic rights. I put in my No vote yesterday, along with 2 others from family. Turnout is good for a non-November, non-presidential election, including strong turnout in blue counties. Republicans should be worried their attacks on democracy are going to fail.

Affordable doesn't have to actually look cheap, and yet so many of these projects do.

Hopefully not exactly like this considering 2/3rds of the site is surface parking.

Countering my usual negative take, I would be surprised if, should a tower ever get built, that it wouldn't have fairly significant commercial space on the ground floor.