jonoh81

No one of any legitimacy suspects the numbers are "wildly off". It's true that many do not answer census questionnaires for obvious reasons, but a lot of native Americans do not answer them either. The Census accounts for that and they don't just rely on response rates. The counts are probably off by some, but not by hundreds of thousands or millions. Not even close. State populations will not change much, if at all, when/if those people are granted citizenship.

Those people are already counted in both the decennial and annual estimates, much to the outrage of some. Changing their status will not affect state populations.

Just an FYI, but new shapefiles for districts, tracts, blocks, etc. for the new census will start to be released beginning January 19th and finishing by February 28th. They will also be releasing data to help directly compare new area designations with those from the 2010 census. Still no schedule on when the 2020 data is actually released.

I agree. I think the only thing we can really say about the inclusion of such far-flung counties is that Columbus has a growing influence on such areas and that there is a significant economic crossflow. It's not like Southeast Ohio has much going on. Athens is only so big.

I agree. I think the only thing we can really say about the inclusion of such far-flung counties is that Columbus has a growing influence on such areas and that there is a significant economic crossflow. It's not like Southeast Ohio has much going on. Athens is only so big.

Hocking and Perry were added after the 2010 census- I want to say in 2013.

I think a more interesting measure is how much population the core metro county includes, since it's not based on any annexation.

It's just based on commuting. There is at least a 25% rate of commuting between Morrow/Hocking and Columbus. It's a hell of a commute, but significant.

Not quite correct about them only being a 3rd of their metros. Columbus is about 42.3% of its metro. Indy is about 42.2%, though it's not an apples to apples comparison because Indy includes most of its county as the city limits. Toledo is 42.5%. Cleveland is 18.6% and Cincinnati is 13.7%

It's honestly pretty useless, the Forbes list of migration data.

It's uncanny how every single one of these stories has at least one person being quoted as saying something along the lines of "I'm not against development, but..." while being interviewed in a story in which they're leading anti-development efforts. Their objections are so misguided. If they're worried about residents being priced out of their improving neighborhoods, the solution is not to force improvements and new projects to halt, but rather to advocate for tougher mandates on affordable housing within larger developments, along with greater density across the board. These people, in effect, are keeping their neighborhoods stagnant while contributing to the causes behind the rising housing costs that price out lower income residents. Their arguments are maddening.

Well I think that would fall under not having the finances to accomplish the proposal. That one lasted 2 whole months before they cancelled it, which is better than dragging it out for years pretending it's still going to happen like SPARC. Didn't they also propose an alternative project for the site when SPARC was eventually officially cancelled? No one has heard a peep about that since then, either. It's a pattern. They keep writing checks their butts can't cash.

Not literally trying, but rather predicting or estimating.

To be fair, there've been a few developers that feigned corporate disinterest for office space in their projects. One of the reasons 80 on the Commons was reduced from 17 to 12 stories, supposedly, was that the developer couldn't drum up enough interest for the extra space. Meanwhile, other projects have had zero issues filling up. I think it comes down to 2 things- The quality of the sales team and whether the developer really has the finances for the projects they originally propose. With the case of Millennial, the developer has a history of proposals that go nowhere, so the problems there seem to be at least both of those reasons and more.

This would also theoretically help the towers planned for Easton. Millennial will never happen. It's not the project, it's the developer.

For Georgia, the estimate since 2010 is +1,022,364. If that's accurate, it would pass Ohio this decade, probably around 2028-2029. For North Carolina, the estimate since 2010 is +1,065,340. Pretty much the same scenario. This all assumes Ohio isn't growing at all- or is losing. It should be noted that, again if the estimates are close to accurate, both NC and Georgia grew about half a million less the past decade than during the 2000s. 2019-2020's rate was down a further 22% in Georgia versus the other years in the decade, and NC's was down about 7%. As for when the real 2020 census data will be released... states are normally released sometime in March-April, cities in May, block/tract data several months later, but who knows if that will be the schedule this coming year.

State estimates for July 1, 2020 came out today. They have 16 states losing population since 2019, including Ohio. Top 10 Largest States 1. California: 39,368,078 2. Texas: 29,360,759 3. Florida: 21,733,312 4. New York: 19,336,776 5. Pennsylvania: 12,783,254 6. Illinois: 12,587,530 7. Ohio: 11,693,217 8. Georgia: 10,710,017 9. North Carolina: 10,600,823 10. Michigan: 9,966,555 2019-2020 Loss States New York: -126,355 Illinois: -79,487 California: -69,532 Michigan: -18,240 Pennsylvania: -15,629 Louisiana: -12,967 Mississippi: -11,441 West Virginia: -10,476 Connecticut: -9,016 New Jersey: -8,887 Hawaii: -8,609 Ohio: -3,290 Alaska: -2,445 Massachusetts: -1,309 Rhode Island: -1,033 Vermont: -699 2010-2020 Worst 20 Illinois: -243,102 West Virginia: -68,207 New York: -41,326 Connecticut: -17,091 Vermont: -2,394 Mississippi: -511 Rhode Island: +4,558 Wyoming: +18,702 Alaska: +20,927 Maine: +21,780 Hawaii: +46,705 New Mexico: +47,140 New Hampshire: +49,805 Kansas: +60,687 South Dakota: +78,537 Pennsylvania: +80,875 Michigan: +82,915 Delaware: +88,875 New Jersey: +90,477 Montana: +91,162 I suspect that most of these state losses didn't actually occur, either over the last year or the entire decade. The Census has been trying to get Ohio to lose population several times over the last few decades, and it has instead tended to beat estimates. Furthermore, they're clearly estimating a very slow growth year overall, as almost all states saw annual growth rates below the rest of the decade, often significantly. That said, It's probably true that it was a particularly slow growth year with Covid and the Trump administration's attacks on all forms of immigration coming to a head, which has previously been a lifeline for states that have low or no domestic growth.

Yep, that is an awful layout, but so typical. Dublin did it better.

The 2nd phase of Buggyworks was originally supposed to be more than 20 stories, but it was proposed in 2007, which wasn't a great time.

This is a link to an interactive map of census tracts going back to 1910. It is *very* difficult to find mapped tracts prior to 1990, so this is an incredible resource for those like myself who work with this type of thing. It allows us to track specific population for an area down to the neighborhood level. https://umn.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=ef554b42643141829f9e8c4b8001f93a

Detroit works against that argument considering its metro area has mostly been steady or even growing slowly even as the city collapsed far worse than Cincy or Cleveland. Every place is different, I just think having a more intact core plays a role in how fast recovery can really be. If Cleveland is still years away, Detroit is decades away.

It doesn't really matter how it happened, the point is that it did. Urban renewal was not the sole cause of demolitions in any city's neighborhoods, but the results are essentially the same. Neighborhoods that have seen a lot of demolitions are a lot harder to bring back without heavy external forces working to improve them. Franklinton in Columbus is a classic example. It was decimated by demolitions, population losses and blight, and it stayed that way until there were concerted efforts by the city- and more importantly by citizens and business owners- to change its direction. That's what needs to happen in some of Cleveland's urban neighborhoods, but with its population losses ongoing, that makes it that much more difficult to accomplish. It can be done, but it's going to be a serious challenge. They've had some good success Downtown, UC and a few other places, and hopefully that can spread to other areas, but I do think it's going to take longer than a lot of people think.

https://www.nhgis.org Just thought you guys might enjoy this link. It contains population and demographic census data going back at least a century. The data can be downloaded and mapped down to the neighborhood level, so basically it's all the data that isn't easy to find on the Census website.

Beat me to it. Yeah, a lot of these neighborhoods are in transition away from mostly student residents.

I think it's entirely related to OSU's requirement for freshman and sophomore's to live on campus. The population dropped in several tracts surrounding OSU, but boomed on campus itself.