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Hey everyone, what's this? http://realneo.us/Archifest-Cleveland-2010 I never heard of "Archifest"... Anyways, if I post this in Crown, I can guarantee you there will more talk about Cleveland in this building than 2 years ago when the Indians almost caught up to the Sox! Is is 2010 yet?!

http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/plaindealer/steven_litt/index.ssf?/base/entertainment/1171704638159150.xml&coll=2 YES! How did I beat all of you to this and I have to check crappy Cleveland.com ? and WHY?!?! wasn't this on the "front page" of Cleveland.com? Anyways... This is amazing! I hopefully will be making a stop in Rem's and MVRDVS's studio when we visit the Netherlands in April for school-maybe I can use Cleveland as a tool to get a job?! :wink: You all know what this means? Busloads (and hopefully packed Rapids and BRT) with tourists (everyone from archie students to Japanese)! 4 years old and the MTCC still gets groups of tourists. I hope we see some renderings soon. Especially from FOA since they've been announced for awhile! This is so sweet! I can guarantee the entire College of Arch. at IIT will be making trips here in the future! Great collections of art in buildings worthy of holding said works. Cleveland deserves nothing but the best. Now I'm not saying that these architects are to be canonized-God knows there's a lot of probs with the MTCC, BUT it's good that Cleveland isn't settling for something with a Sears-look to it! And even though it's nice to support the hometown locals, sometimes they need a little fire under their @sses to stop making the same things over and OVER again. About Ch.19...We could win an olympic bid but their top story would be about all of the traffic or terrorist opportunities-some crazy $hit like that. I'd like Herzog et de Meuron to do something here. I don't recall a skyscraper by them but they'd make something very crisp that would look great on PS. Vive la Cleveland!

This is sort of random but I was doing some research on the Mall and I really wish the Convention Center would remain in its current location and expand so that area can develop further. Good way to to tie in a new train station? McCormick Place here in Chicago is expanding exponentially overnight and dozens and dozens of towhomes and condo towers are under construction in the immediate vicinity. In fact, between Millennium Park and McCormick Place, the building boom is very unbelievable. Wouldn't it be nice to have the Mall surrounded by a bunch of condos and hotels, as people picnic and utilize the Mall as downtown's ped friendly gathering spot? (Maybe Public Square one day, but not right now). Some of the country's finer cities use green space in the dense core as a focal point for high density construction. Mmm.... Whether or not you like D. Burnham or his plan, the Mall is unique space that only a few cities can boast. The architecture and the vast green space is a sign of Cleveland's longevity. A celebration of the city. A celebration of her people. A celebration of movement. The concept of "lawn" and the many aspects associated with lawns is rather dynamic. Look at the examples throughout the world. Things won't change overnight but I hope that Cleveland realizes the value of the Mall and takes advantage of it in as many ways possible. (We're pretty lucky to have a lake and river too but that's another issue ;)) Does anyone get goosebumps from thinking about the potential that this city has up its sleeves?! Not that it's a bad place now, but we all know what's lurking beneath the surface and the day it emerges from the cloudy depths, we'll all be there with tears in our eyes. :cry: :lol: ...a renaissance of Cleveland that her people cannot fathom. The Sixth City returns! :clap: :clap:

There is NO sexier picture of Cleveland than anyone taken for UC looking east (there are many on this site)! There are the night/day/dawn/dusk pics that are amazing! The city looks really dense! The sexiest drive into the city is eastbound along the west shoreway! Cleveland...HOT! ;)

OMG "Back to the FUTURE?!" It makes me sick hearing all of this opposition to rapid transit in this backwards country! It's like people travel through time to another planet in another universe to get to NYC or PARIS or even Chicago to a lesser extent. Are these subways and ELs only for tourists? What happens in Place X stays in Place X? I'm sure most of you feel the same way... Why does EVERY article published have to mention something about the 19th century? Who gives a f*ck if they used streetcars back then? People walked with 2 feet back then too--why does public transportation have to be so antiquated and alienated from our daily routine? Hell, look at all of the small European cities with rapid transit. From London to Basel, cities big and small have this stuff. It's cool for moms from Westlake or their counterpart in some other suburban paradise to ride the Red Line in Chicago and take their bratty girl to the American Girl Place or shop at OMG, Crate and Barrel on Michigan Ave :-o but once they're back in the motherland, it's like that trip never happened or if it did, it's like they needed some super-duper passport to experience riding a train. There's a little joke in Cleveland saying how people in Parma think they need a passport to go to the Eastside...Well most of us NEO-ers can believe that but it seems that a lot of people in this state and the US think that certain cities are just floating in space and nothing can be taken from what they're doing or have done. I'm not saying let's copy what a certain city is doing but we're all human and act in similar manner +/- and there is no reason why taking a train to work has to be some unfathomable nightmare. I didn't know that our cities are so perfect, that by taking a "chance" on rapid transit (b/c it may not be feasible...w/e!), we might do something so terrible, it'd rip our cities apart! That 200' wide ditch or overpass running through some neighborhood is pretty bad but a 15-20' wide track with a rather silent train passing by every 10 min. would spell armageddon. This is just some general venting about the state of affairs regarding rapid transit. Not to pick on Cbus, but so what if you were in United's Hemisphere magazine a few issues back (and this goes for all of our cities). God only knows what the world will be like in 1, 10, 50 years but it'd be nice to think that w/e we're doing now-as in what's going on around downtown Cbus or Cleveland-might be a foundation for an even more vibrant, dynamic city. But if we're not doing anything now to be sustainable and nuture what we really hold dear, this is all a waste. And being sustainable is more than grass on a roof. If someone you know could see into the future and you asked them, "In 2020, will Cle/Cbus/or Cincy have an "adequate" rapid trans system?" (And I think we all know what adequate means...KJP ACCEPTED! ;)), and they said "NO", I'd be afraid. "In fact" they say, "nothing will really change between now and then." I believe there is hope and that things will change for the better or else I'd quit architecture school and open up my french bakery/cafe with real baguettes! AGAIN-this is just me venting to you all instead of talking to myself while sitting here at school, doorguarding. None of this is personal, just b*tching about all the people we want to slap. I hope this made some sense...and that some of you feel the same way I feel. Oh, and pardon any grammatical errors...when you're excited, the words fly out. Vive la Cleveland

My studio took a field trip to Milwaukee on Jan. 31st to check out our site. We're developing a Limnology Institute along the Menomonee River in downtown Milwaukee. Our studio site is the actual home to the under construction, Harley Davidson Museum. Anyways, I think it'd be in Cleveland's best interest to land one of the first true Limnology Institute. The objective of this studio is based on a combo of architecture and landscape architecture. We're trying to create a space (large 25 acre space that's mostly landscape) where visitors and the resident scientists can experience the processes involved in limnology. Basically, it's a very large and unprecedented indoor/outdoor fresh water/Great Lakes laboratory. Our prof is a well-respected landscape architect from MPLS and like I mentioned a few weeks ago, we're going to the Netherlands to look at some similar case-studies. Anyways, here are some pics from a VERY COLD day along the north shore of Lake Michigan. It was my first time in that city and I have to say, it's pretty cute (but nothing compares to the motherland! Vive la Cleveland!) Some things such as the Milwaukee River through downtown remind me of dt Chicago and its river. The quality of light in Calatrava's addition is amazing when you're there in the middle of winter. Everything is really crisp. Hope I made sense... Anyways, enjoy!

Hello again everyone! More details to come about my current studio project but it involves a very nice trustee sending 12 of us to the netherlands for a week-airfare and accommodations paid-for some case-study investigation! CANNOT WAIT! stroopwafels, yum.... Anyways, I have this wonderful book on train station competitions for a bunch of Italian cities. Rome Turbina and Termini, Torino Porta Susa, Florence___, and others...The book is in Italian so I really don't know what they're saying but a bunch of compelling 3-D images and models that make us hope that if something is ever built where the Amtrak station is currently located, it will be more dynamic and fresh than the little cartoon in the PD or even St. Louis' and Houston's proposals. That sketch is really cool though--just imagine a Brown's game or World Cup Match with a packed house and that station jammed pack... :cry: So beautiful! I also have a little story regarding Tower City. A couple of years ago some friends from IIT took a little road trip to the 3 C's to see our P.B. Lewis building, the Wexner in the 'Bus and Zaha's museum in Cincy...I thought we'd take the rapid just for the hell of it. Needless to say my friends-all native Chicagoans, were really impressed with Tower City. We were on a tight schedule so we rushed through the building but they thought it was an amazing space. They loved the dynamic that the mix of retail and transportation created. (Hopefully one day we'll have more and better options but that's just preaching to the choir). I know we can't regard these 'feel good stories' to a high degree because it's important to be critical of what we're doing, but it's an example of something unique to Cleveland and how imperative it is to take complete advantage of what we have in Tower City and the tracks below.

Before anything else, THIS IS REGARDING W.117th! I know this is the SYC thread but since the W. 117th development was mentioned I wanted to add my thoughts--not going too far off subject. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Well being the real estate/planning expert that I am... Wait, I don't think I've ever said that. Isn't this forum a place for all of us to voice our opinions, concerns, and ideas? Expert? Hardly, but it's very discouraging to see such a typical approach to such a 'prime' location. It doesn't take an 'expert' to realize that a vibrant urban center in the TRUE sense of the word means density, pedestrian/public trans-friendly, NOT Strongsville. I shouldn't be that harsh on S'ville and I use it because it's an easy example. But, what works there cannot work in Cleveland. If it takes an expert to decide that, then God help us all. I wasn't trying to suggest something so radical that the Dutch would be commending us-although I wish we would...but suggesting a simple gesture of rotating a piece of paper 90 or 180 degress. And believe it or not-whether it's a site plan or a painting, that simple gesture can make a big difference for the BETTER.

Sublots or no sublots that plan still sucks. It's no different than anything you'd find in Strongsville. The store is still too far from the street and an Applebee's and Steak and Shake (just examples) would add as much character and vibrancy to the area as they did at the piece of trash town center in Brunswick... You all should see the new Marc's going into the old Giant Eagle next to Kmart...OMG :drunk: Ahhh! Anyways, not to get off subject, but the Target/Macy's/etc. center on Cedar would have been a better approach to W. 117th. There's a 'new' Target on Roosevelt in Chicago-couple of years old-that is 2 stories with a 3-4 level deck in the back and a new center with Whole foods, DSW, Bed Bath and Beyond and maybe something else opening soon that isn't incorporating acres of parking around the buildings. So, who has plans to run for Mayor of Cleveland?!

I just wanted to comment on a point that KJP made about the W. 117th Target. How hard would it have been to turn the site plan upside down and let the store straddle W. 117th?! Something so simple would have created an entirely different atmosphere. I guess that could be said for suburbia, too. Put the cars in back, behind the buildings...Especially in more urban places. Now, people taking the bus will have to walk 1/2 mile to the store--or even better, the busses can waste time by making a little detour to the front of the store to drop off passengers. While one can argue for/against SYC, but the truth is that it's in its own little world in the valley and will impact its surrounding area in a very different manner that Stark's project or even the W. 117th Target. I'm much more upset with pushing back Target -(same with Home Depot, whenever that was built...) Anyways, off to Chicago again for one more semester!!! :clap: Can't wait to see new construction in May!

Well the Walnut Room at Marshall Field's/Macy's on State isn't a 5 star restaurant, but a decent restaurant, probably. And there's probably a few more out there... Let's forget I mentioned GL because you seem to have some animosity toward the store for some reason. Pretend I said "Higbee's-Dept. Store X". Anyway, regarding GL and Macy's, these stores are the economical equivalent for the respective cities in which their flagship stores are located, right? One who shops at the Macy's in Herald's Sq. might find a Parisian counterpart who shops at GL on Blvd. Haussmann, right? Maybe that's why it wasn't successful in NYC. Maybe the draw wasn't big enough to lure people to this new store. I really don't know why it didn't work. If the Macy's at Parmatown is different than the Macy's in Herald's Square, what makes you think that a GL in Cleveland wouldn't be an altered form of the GL in Paris? The original idea behind creating a "Higbee's-Lafayette", for example, was to brand this respected company with a name familiar to the locals. Nothing more, nothing less. This would be a mid-upper range store that could suit the needs of the people living nearby. I think that the area's umpteenth "Macy's" wouldn't create the energy to attract a substantial amount of shoppers--flagship or not. While the merchandise and pricing might be similar, the intangible qualities of labeling something as Higbee's or Halle's might achieve something that "Macy's" can't. Just an idea. I'm not a huge fan of Macy's and I think it'd be great to have some other, higher end stores downtown but I thought something that is somewhere in the middle would be a good way solidify the retail base. I really don't have stock in GL and I don't mean to defend it like my little brother or something but honestly... Seeing that GL caters to a wider spectrum of people than Le Bon Marche, Saks, or Harvey Nichols, maybe that's why a McD's is located one floor below the Children's floor. Makes some sense. Also, why does GL "suck"? Have you had bad service? Do you just not like the merchandise? Is there too much merchandise on the floor like Macy's (I agree with that)? Maybe you don't like the fact that there are about a dozen restaurant/bar/cafe choices in the GL complex since you say that dept. stores are meant solely for shopping...Don't just say it sucks and not give reasons. I just want to know your reasons for not liking GL. Until the day the Stark announces something-or anyone for that matter-all we can do is dream of the scene in Christmas Story... :wink: Christmas shopping in downtown Cleveland...

:? MyTwoSense, I seem to be confused. Cleveland, in general, is too humble when it comes to giving itself the respect and attention is deserves but honestly, someone better call Frommers and tell them about the east side because they may be missing an important piece of shopping information. Give me a break...Cool west side joke, too. Let's not use NYC as the almighty example of what to do or not to do in a city. Each situation in every city must be treated differently and NYC is not an appropriate datum in every circumstance. I suggested GL because we all know that another Macy's isn't appropriate right now. I agree, GL is overpriced, especially when they sell 80 Euro Arrow shirts. There would obviously have to be an adjustment in prices and merchandise. Lafayette Maison is pretty amazing and there is no other place like it in the city. CB2 would be nice too but since they are only located in Chicago, I guess we couldn't have that either. Yeah, I don't like McDonald's but there are also places to get food that blow Cafe Nordstrom out of the water. Where is that McDonald's located, too? I don't remember seeing it. This was just an idea for something new and fresh to the city and even the region/country. God forbid we dream a little in Cleveland. If money wasn't an issue, wouldn't most people prefer to shop in a boutique? I just don't see Armani, D+G, RL, LV and friends lining up to lease spaces along Euclid. GL was one idea. Bloomingdale's would be cool, too. I thought pairing an old Cleveland dept. store name with something fresh might be a good branding technique. I don't intend for this to get carried away but again, it was just a suggestion that I believe could work. The French-American Chamber of Commerce-Northern Ohio Chapter has grown from 1 member a year ago to over 75-as of July '06. I thought it might be a good project for the organization to undertake. Filene's must have added some milk to that shake... :roll: Hope to see everyone on the 23rd!

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AHH! I had a logo for Higbee's-Lafayette but the upload folder is full! Can anyone help me out? it's a very small file size, too

Please forgive me if this is a double but I tried submitting a response a couple of minutes ago and it didn't work. Anyways, those facades above Corner Alley are quite immaculate! I'm coming home from Chicago this week and begin working downtown with RF+PA next Monday and I'm excited to see what's going on downtown. I have this idea but I have no idea where to place it so here it is...I figured a lot of you will be reading this thread during the next few days so it's a good place to have everyone read it The glorious day that respectable shopping returns to downtown, this should be one of the main anchors! (come on LBJ, you've got to be able to pull some strings with Nike and land a Niketown here...) Downtown needs stores that one can't find at Crocker Park, South Park, or Beachwood. Sure there should and will be some repeats but those should be infill. We need unique stores to the metro area, state and even region if we want downtown shopping to thrive as it once did. Galeries Lafayette's flagship store in Paris is comprised of three buildings. Galeries Lafayette houses Women's, Young Adults, Childrens, Electronics, etc.; Lafayette Homme and Lafayette Gourment are in the 2nd building where you guessed it, Men's and a grocery store that should be in the Louvre are located; and Lafayette Maison is the home store. We could use that similar concept here with a home store. Branding Galeries Lafayette with a local name should appeal to those in Cleveland-especially the elders who complain about the poor state of the city when they're part of the reason it's the way it is-or more appropriately, the way they perceive it to be... C+A is another European department store that is more affordable-like JCP-but much trendier-like H+M. Sure the closest Bloomingdale's is in Chicago, followed by Philly but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Anyways, let me know what you think and if this could ever happen. There's a GL in Berlin but aside from that , they're all in the motherland, France.

Some "expansion" news: Southwest is starting new non-stop service to/from Orlando, FL (MCO) beginning in March. The service will be 2x daily, however at the expense of 2 Nashville and 1 Chicago-Midway flights/day. It's nice to see SWA switching things up a bit. There's already 30+ daily departures between CLE and ORD/MDW on AA, UA, Continental, and SW, but Nashville has gone from 4-2 on SW and currently only has 2 on Continental. Anyways, hopefully we'll see more expansion once the aprons are finished and an upgraded (and God willing) new Int'l concourse/terminal is completed?!?! While it'd be great in many aspects to build a new midfield complex, I think we'd have a better chance waiting for the Browns to win a Superbowl... Oh, btw, I'm very interested in transportation-related architecture, esp. airports. They're an amazing organism. Many times they're the first and only impression that millions of people may have on a respective city. The airport can define a significant impression that one has on a city. In some cases, airports do not do the city justice (ie Cleveland, the OLD Midway, La Guardia, just to name a few) and in other cases, the airport may do a city too much justice (sorry but DTW is really, REALLY nice, and well, if Detroit can have that, why can't we have one?! No offense Detroit...). Stuttgart, new CDG, DTW, and Zurich are quite gorgeous airports and maybe people coming back home to NEO whether it be from vacation or visiting for holidays/events wouldn't be so depressed/negative is the airpot was nicer. I know there's more to a city than its airport and that fresh paint and new chairs can only go so far, but at the same time, its MUCH better than old, stale paint and chairs with holes, too. I wouldn't call it superficial, just responsible and proud! GO CLE!

5 months in Europe and STILL a ton of places I need to visit! Top 5 in no order: 1. Tokyo 2. Okinawa (Island but still, my grandma is 100% Okinawan) 3. Barcelona 4. Berlin 5. Moscow

This is great news! What's going on with the CIA? I thought I've read/heard somewhere that some starchitects may be involved with their expansion?...Students at Case are truely some of the most fortunate students in America--coexisting with the wide array of institutions in and around their campus. Should be interesting to see FOA's proposal(s).

I'm up for any date after the 16th-ish.

Well unfortunately this seems to be my annual post on UrbanOhio despite reading posts at least twice a week... Anyways, Some of you have met me before. I attended the UO Cleveland tour early this summer (My mom Doreen accompanied me). As some of you may or may not know, I'm currently in my 5th and final year at the Illinois Institute of Technology in Chicago. I will be receiving my B.S. in Architecture in May '07. I have had a great time living in Chicago the past 5 years, as well as living in Paris for 5 months this past winter/spring. This issue of brain drain/pop. loss is something that directly applies to myself and something I think of quite often. It is true and obvious that Cleveland has its problems--but what city doesn't? I know this is a rhetorical question but it's important to understand and accept this fact. With my last semester quickly approaching, I'm struggling a bit in deciding in which city I would like to live. Upon graduating college, I have the cool, yet overwhelming decision on where I would like to start the next phase of my life. As most of you will be glad to hear, Cleveland is very high on my list, if not #1. Why you may ask?! 1. As is the case with many of you, I've developed a strong affection for city and some of its environs (sorry Strongsville and Brunswick, you're not one of them!). Loyalty to my hometown (born off of W. 25th St. back in '84) is this reason. 2. Having the opportunity to travel in the U.S. and abroad, one can see that Cleveland is very unique and possesses good and bad qualities specific to the area (again stating basic, non-specific, but necessary facts). The rich and prestigious history of the city is evidence in the role our city played in the development of the modern world. Many of us would LOVE to see the city reclaim its "5th or 6th City" title, right? With a little TLC, a lot of $$$, and ambitious leaders with foresight and knowledge, the possibility of landing something such as the 2036 Olympics is more than a joke funnier that something about the burning Cuyahoga or anything Parma. (I know my name is 2032 but if the U.S. gets 2016, we'd probably have to wait until then...Plus it'd be the 100th anniversary of the 1936 games that we should have hosted!). 3. I don't give a damn what ANYONE says-and I don't mean to disrespect the following cities, but: Cleveland-whether it's 1936, 1986 or 2006-does circles around some of the hot cities such Phoenix, Houston, Dallas, ATL, Vegas, and so on. Go to Houston and see how well its lack of zoning really works. Dead downtown, too. Skylines aren't everything on an international scale but in America, they're very important. Akron or PHX, which one is bigger/better? If the effort was put into publicizing and promoting Cleveland along with money spent in these other cities, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. 4. Cleveland is AFFORDABLE which is very attractive-in addition to the city's many great attributes. 5. Let's talk about some of these attributes...Does anyone realize the bubbling dynamic of Univ. Circle? CMA, MOCA, CIA, CIM, CWRU, Hospitals, etc. ARCHITECT HEAVEN! Brand new facilities for all of these institutions intend to involve the creative minds of world renown architects. It's unbelievable how many architects/architecture students/architecture buffs travel around the country/world just to see some buildings (Ok, the Eiffel Tower and Co. are obvious, but universities-such as mine-receive busloads of tourists weekly to take a 15 min. walk through the Rem Koolhaas building and Mies' Crown Hall which is over 50 yrs. old). With such a potential high density of architecture masterpieces, the tourism industry in Cleveland has opened itself up to a brand new market. This is only referring to the actual buildings-not the great works of art and performance attributed to the wonderful spaces. 6. If anyone had the opportunity to attend Ingenuity '06 and visit that gallery on E. 4th had to be moved! I felt like I was looking into a crystal ball! That is part of Cleveland's future. The potential that Cleveland's creative minds possess is second to none if much due attention and respect is given to these efforts. 7. Good or bad...Cleveland's slow approach to the re-gentrification of its neighborhoods. As it has been said, Chicago is one of America's exceptions. Cleveland will be. Unlike our Great Lake sister city, Chicago, areas such as OC and Tremont have had slow development, allowing for an intermingling of a rather diverse population. Townhomes, residential towers, and other forms of development are not exploding as they are in many parts of Chicago. While this is frustrating for us and may make us jealous of Chi-town, there are some benefits amongst the cons. I worked at BierMarkt this summer and in a 2 min. span, you would see the tenured locals ;), the suburbanites who made their bi-annual 15 mile trek over to OC, new young professionals who have made the wise choice in moving to our wonderful city, a tourist here and there :), and dogs. This diverse class of people in addition to their many colors, creeds, lifestyles, and beliefs creates a very dynamic neighborhood. While it does lack the density and scale of some of the cities that we envy, it's an important threshold and starting point that is the envy of many more cities. 8. Guilt. I didn't go to architecture school to design houses as did many of my colleagues. Will I be the next Rem or Hadid? I don't know. Architecture school is the foundation of my investment in not making Cleveland "the city that it once was" but the city that it IS. The city that it deserves to be and must become. As corny or immature as this sounds, it's true. Now I don't have magic button or rich uncle to make this possible but there needs to be an ambition or dream amongst the people if change is going to take place. This website is an amazing thing! How many other cities have something like this-with the passion that is very evident in every day discussions over "little" issues? I feel that I owe it to myself and to the city to come back home. If I'm not coming home and preventing this brain drain, why should I expect anyone else to. If an "advocate" for the city isn't practicing what he or she preaches, then we're all wasting our time, right? Ahh!!!! Ok, so I thank you if you've made it through that very long "rant" or whatever you call that but I just wanted to give you another viewpoint of someone who wants to relocate home-be it in May '07 or May '10. I hope that all made sense and I look forward talking with some of you regarding this or other issues. Please feel free to email me at [email protected] (make sure the subject has something to do with UO) or send me a message on UO. I may not be as well versed at May Day or KJP (to name a couple) but I do possess a passion for the city like many of you. Go Buckeyes! Oh, and if there's a cure-all to everything, it lies in the hands of Lebron and Co. ;) OMG, what would the city do?!?!?! Here's hopin for the '06-'07 campaign!

Back from 5 months in Paris and I will be there tomorrow! I miss French food...

MVRDV?!?!?!?!?!?! :-o WOW!!! Can you imagine what that area will be like with the new Vinoly building, in addition to a new MOCA and who else knows what?!?! How about some Herzog et de Meuron too?! Case needs to bring back its College of Architecture! It's a shame that this city doesn't have a true architecture school! Cincy, Columbus, Pitt, Detroit, and Chicago...They all have one(s). Anyways, I'll be back home from France in mid June!

by "chaussettes blanches" I was refering to the White Sox...

CLEVELAND, TU ME MANQUES!!!! Bonjour from Paris everyone! I know this is like the 2nd time I've posted something but I'm the guy who goes to IIT in Chicago, but grew up in Cleveland, and now studying abroad until end of July in Paris. This thread is awesome! Esp. the "you talk about Cleveland like it's the little brother you love to pick on. But when someone else picks on him, it's time to throw down." quote! So true!!! My family lives in Brunswick, but this past winter break (I was only home for 2 weeks b4 I went to Paris) I found this great cafe in Tremont that I drove to a couple of times. Also, Big Fun in Cle Hts makes cool unique Cleve tshirts! tHE "CLEVELAND, You've got to be tough" shirt is awesome! Ahh, anyways, I read this and had to say hi! I love reading this thread except i dont have a lot of time to sit down all of the time. My email is [email protected] if anyone wants to chat. I should load some Europe pics too. A bientot! J'aime Cleveland and je deteste les chaussettes blanches!