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philly's HRT is overhead wire too?

The E14/Playhouse Sq. and 200 PS Starbucks are always busy. I'm sure the W9th store does well too-esp. with all the residents.

Easier said than done but all people need to do is ride/bike/walk/run/WHATEVER from PS to E55 and they'd see how amazing the Healthline is! I too love the old churches that straddle Euclid! CSU and the Collegetown development are going make Euclid explode-in a good way!

And that's the point I've been trying to make. Look at everything going into the FEB and look at what is today. Why are we flipping out about a few renderings. I am not condemning the AD but I refuse to let this slide by when the FEB is being attacked for being generic as not one thing has been built. Ok, going back to putting my money where my mouth is... Well as a recent college grad with 20 years of student loans to pay off, working as an architect nonetheless, all I can do is rent right now and and hope to buy some cool things at CB2. Until I can put a down payment down on some property, I guess I'll just keep my mouth shut. I obviously haven't earned my stripes yet. Doctabroccoli, I am extremely happy for you and your new purchase!!! This city needs people like you who are willing to invest not only in their lives, but in the life of Cleveland too.

That's the scary thing-we can't keep nurturing this sheltered, 5 years too late outlook on what a city should be or on what a building can be. I really didn't intend to attack the AD design--I just wanted to know why it appeared that a lot of people are quick to attack the FEB renderings yet show little negative criticism towards the AD? Once we see some steel at the FEB sites maybe we'll all move on...

MTS, personally it's frustration with settling with the familar-a generic and safe approach to developing. Maybe that's why they have the $$$ in the first place...

I totally agree! earlier I mentioned how we may have seen more people jump on board-in all aspects of either project-if we kept the status-quo to a minimum. Now I don't know what kind of can of worms I'm going to open but we've had very little new construction in the CBD in the past decade plus. Sure, we've seen our fair share of rehab in the WHD/E4 and now Prospect/Huron but there has been little opportunity to really flex our muscles when it comes to enlightening the masses as far as what architecture can be. That's what's so exciting about the University Circle area. Starchitects may be the easy way out--even seen as selling out to the local community, but we need it. Fresh blood is good every now and then to keep the locals on their toes. Again, even the AD must be looked at as a foundation for futher development in the area. The safe, traditional approach is one way to go about development, right? I can't wait until August! Cutting edge?! The last cutting edge thing built here was Gateway!

Ok, I don't know if I should keep this here or the FEB thread--either one might be ok... There has been much discusssion about the generic, suburban-esque, uninspiring, etc. design of the FEB project. I too think that a major draw to the project could have been/could be a very progressive, exciting design. Something so compelling could provide a huge influx of partronage and investment in both projects. Moving on to the Avenue District, what do some of you feel about the design of this project-how it relates to the rest of the neighborhood? Surely, one cannot think that this design pushes the envelope or relates well to the downtown area or is worth the investment by Zaremba IF such mediocre renderings of the FEB warrant all of the criticism we've read on UO. I have a hard time buying the idea of 3-flat townhomes a few blocks from 400 ft. towers... I think that portion of the project is a bit far-fetched. Needless to say it appears everyone gets all warm and tingly inside when we see pics of this development. Can we just give FEB a chance? I really don't think that FEB will be of any lesser quality than AD (not that that's saying much but I've seen the worst in Brunswick Lake Town Center development! BARF!). We have to expect these projects to be only catalysts in downtown's/Cleveland's/NEO's renewal-not the climax of re-investment into downtown!

SECESSION!!!

Between what's actually being built in the Avenue District and what's proposed in FEB, I see very little distinction--as far as design goes. It appears that most people on this forum really enjoy the Avenue District outcome yet think the FEB renderings are generic. I think when it's all said and done, FEB will stand its own--especially with the WHD, Stonebridge, and the bridges in the background.

couple more years huh? that's too bad, especially if it may impeed Breuer development. Thanks for the responses!

Ok, so now that Healthline is nearing completion, are there any plans improve E 9th-especially the portion around Euclid/Prospect? Are the developers investing any money into the infrastructure? I hope something is done b/c it's a bit ridiculous having a gorgeous, new Euclid Ave. intersected by a beat up E.9th. I know they just opened the intersection but are there any plans to improve this area as it's one of the most important intersections in the entire city?

Let the world-class signage begin!!!

Total wish, sorry

It's rather dense (for a suburb) on W.25/Pearl in Parma/Parma Hts-heck even Middlebug Hts. I grew up in Parma Hts. and Pearl Road-around York-W130th is a nice ped-friendly stretch of city.

Will RTA add the Healthline route on the Rapid maps?

I think we should cover it with corrugated metal paneling! To hell with that wannabe pantheon-i don't know if I'm Greek or Roman cr@p!!! :lol:

Hello! I'm 24 and just moved to Ohio City last summer. I love it. I'm car free and do fine +/-. You can easily walk to Dave's or the WSM plus nearly 2 dozen food/drink establishments, a handful of banks, dry cleaner, movie store, and a few other random places. Ohio City has dirt cheap rentals or very nice rentals--it's your call. Safety hasn't been an issue w/ me yet although I probably just jinxed myself. You're 5 min to downtown over the Detroit Superior or Lorain Carnegie Bridge. It also makes for fun runs if you're into that. Saturday is a very busy day in the neighborhood but most of the restaurants/bars do quite well on the weeknights. Did I mention your'e within stumbling distance to many bars? The neighborhood is very diverse. You have the locals who have been around for a long time mixing with CMHA crowd mixing with the empty nesters who moved back mixing with people like us who love the real city! Lots of dogs too. I rank OC higher than Tremont only b/c it's more convienent going downtown-if you don't have a car or don't want to drive AND most importantly, you can walk to a grocery store!!! That's a key element in a sustainable neighborhood. Now you have a car so if you need to go to Steelyard or out into the burbs, you're set b/c you're 2 min. from every freeway in the city. Good luck!

vacant corner at E4/Prospect...24 hour breakfast/brunch spot?! That'd be awesome!

600 people? If it runs 19 hrs/day w/ 4 trips an hour, that's less than 8 people per ride! That number should be much bigger! Who knows though, if/when flights are cut drastically this fall!

Maybe!

I can write a letter to RTA-asking them to invest in the airport station. Is it a high priority as other stations have proposals in the works in addition to the budget issues RTA is facing today? I have no idea... Yes, the Cedar and Mayfield stations should and must take precedence over the airport but I don't want to see this station (one of the most important if not the most important station) fall by the wayside b/c today it's "fine" while some others are in sad shape. This station should always remain a top priority. I'm sure space is an issue and we're constrained in terms of expanding. There are other approaches we can take in changing the atmosphere of that station... Anyways, thanks for letting me vent! :wink:

why is this attitude ok?! I don't understand! :? What's good about the station? It doesn't leak or have a wood plank floor? I'm sorry for having such high standards!

I don't know the old airport station--thankfully. I also don't know downtown Cleveland post-Euclid Ave hayday and pre-Gateway/WHD/etc. but I-along w/ everyone else on this board-am not saying what we have today is good enough based on what we had decades ago. I don't want to say, "well, it's better than the 1980s station so it's good!" b/c quite frankly, anything is better than crap, right? Although they replaced lights a couple months ago making the lighting more crisp, it's very anti-climatic. We wait in a very boring-almost depressing space that is out of scale for a heavy rail station. My studio apt. has higher ceilings! Now I'm not suggesting a $50 million rehab but a few million $$$, sure! The public art is cute-i guess-but almost blends into the gray walls. We have an opportunity to excite people about coming to Cleveland. 15 minutes at times to advertise and promote our city! Instead they can read a sports ticker and look at dirty ceramic airplanes with missing engines. This isn't a Cleveland.com jab--I doubt any of them would dare to ride the rapid. :roll: I just wish we took advantage of opportunities to take ourselves to the next level instead of living by the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mantra.

it's easier for Chicago to promote the L b/c everyone knows Chicago has rail! Really, and let's not kid ourselves, not too many people outside of Cleveland (and sadly enough some NEO-ians) know or expect Cleveland to have rail. Continental Magazine mentions the airtran train from Newark to the city--it would be nice if they mentioned the rapid! Now we don't have the congestion or tourists that NYC has but something so simple and little might go a long way in terms of promoting RTA and enhancing our image. Hey, we're somewhat sophisticated--we have rapid transit! :wink: One more thing... I don't mean to be harsh but just b/c we had the first rapid transit airport to city center connection in North America doesn't mean the station has to look like it was the first one! Now it's not the worst station (brookpark, puritas, some east side stations) but it's a far cry from being as nice as it SHOULD be!! The airport station used to fit in with the duct taped carpet concourses but I think we need to spruce things up a bit--or quite a bit. It's like we're ashamed to have the train and we try to make it as mundane as possible so it blends in, instead of celebrating something we're so lucky to have maintained/held onto for decades while other cities would kill for airport train service! We need to hold ourselves and our city to a higher standard!