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And once upon a time people built roads for horse and carriage. Times change. A Dubai company has investment in the billions for flying cars. Yes, flying cars. Times will change. Roads will change. Urban planning is only in reference to the times we abide in. Obviously like the horse and carriage to the evolution of the cars, things and the surrounding enviorment changes.

You realize everything changes right? Nothing is permenant nothing lasts forever. Cincinnati was once nothing but forest and land..then settlers came and built simple wooden structures, then those simple structures were torn down for more complex structures and so on and so forth...Even this Earth will one day be nothing but dust. Accept change, for that's the only thing consistent about life. Nothing is permenant. So why get worked up about it? Life is to short to care about things you don't have control over anyways. Embrace the time you live in 2019. For one day humans from the year 2200 will learn, study, and document our roads, our archeticture, our art, our way of life, similarly to how we look back at our ancestors in the 1800's.

https://www.citybeat.com/news/blog/21067795/tensions-continue-over-housing-as-key-votes-approach-for-west-end-fc-cincinnati-stadium?utm_source=featurefollow&utm_medium=home&utm_campaign=hpfeatures There is a chance FCC doesn't even get their zoning change requestion due to this pending issue. FCC isn't willing to compromise about the relocation and I doubt city council will allow this to pass without a reasonable solution.

I agree with the monotony comment..But say if I'm a real estate developer (not fcc related), and wanted to build a new mixed use structure in that location...what motivation would I have to cling on to these buildings if I could demolish them and building something taller and more dense with more residential units in it's place, plus gain more profit in return? The old west end, that resides north next to north of liberty otr is more important imo. There are still alot of streets left with great historic fabric intact, and some fabulous architecture.

I agree. Luckily stadiums aren't built every day, and I don't think there are any other major projects in cincinnati's horizon that will be this involved with the street scape. Granted if this was Amazon HQ 2 with 50,000 new jobs in our urban core, with jeff bezos personally promising new light rail that he would finance all over greater cincinnati than we at urbanohio would probably care less with what amazon destroys in it's wake.

The map i just looked at seems to state south of liberty initially and then north of liberty and Pendelton for future phases.

Besides FCC is still going to create a second phase of mixed use buildings along the stadium with hotels/residential/retail etc.

I'm looking at Google maps and wr are literally talking about a handful of remaining buildings scattered about..I'm not sure how this is anywhere near the ballpark of otr? The 1500 block of race was a rough demolished block for sure, but it's not like otr is defined by that block. What makes otr great are the stretches of fabric that exist on Elm Street, Republic, Vine, Clay, Walnut, Main, Pendelton, etc. OTR is beautiful because it's not a block of historic buildings, but literally a mini European like town/village. That has enough remaining fabric to make you feel like your in a different environment all together. The West end was deciminated decades ago and crying over a few scattered buildings is worthless. The city screwed up and destroyed a beautiful area our urban core. I'm not crying over these buildings because there was no sense of time or place. Just giant prairie lots and a few dangling teeth hanging off the jaw.

But doesn't that defeat the purpose of the buffet of entertainment offerings in otr?

Wasn't there discussion of potentially adding more seats in the future? I could've sworn that was discussed at some point by fcc

The neighborhood was ALREADY ruined. Looking at Google maps there was nothing but giant prairie sized empty lots, and a few scattered historic structures here and there. I understand if FCC was building the stadium right in the middle of otr and destroying the entire fabric...but the West end? There is hardly any fabric to speak of. It was all destroyed during the creation of thr interstates.

Ok, so how many spaces do these garages add up to? All in all, I'm guessing less than 5K spaces?...For a 25K seat stadium, that has the potential to be expanded with more seats in the future. Even with all the garages being built by FCC they won't sufficiently supply enough parking regardless. Most people will still need to park in OTR/CBD/The banks and will either need to walk/uber/use the streetcar/red bike/bird/leggo/etc to get to the stadium.

To be fair, we are lucky to have a downtown that's fairly compact. Even the street car, while basic, get's you to the downtown grocery store, jobs in the cbd, banks, restaurants, bars, etc. If people worked downtown, and truly wanted to be car free, then downtown has enough public transit options that make it possible. Plus since it's so compact, walking around downtown isn't really a pain either.

Where did you hear about a parking garage under the stadium? Do you have a source?

I wasn't aware about a garage under the stadium? Where did you hear this? And FCC always needed the 1,000 space garage that is done in conjunction with Hamilton Co. This was known since day 1 that was the plan.

I don't really have any numbers to back any of my claim....but my line of logic is questioning how many downtown residents are there..roughly 20k I believe? (Could be wrong)...How many of these residents aren't on welfare, aren't living in affordable housing, aren't using EBT? Maybe half? So say 10k residents more or less who have actual spending power to spend money at resturaunts/bars/retail, etc... Now how many, "tourists" visit otr from greater cincinnati/ky/Indiana, etc and spend money at the bars/resturaunts, etc? I have to imagine the tourists heavily outweight the residents at thr current moment. The reality is we need more residents downtown. We are improving, but having poor residents do nothing for the city business economy and the residents that have spending power and actual jobs, well we need more of them.

To be fair a huge chunk of it was razed a long time ago. What's left are the historic "scraps". The ruins of stupid decisions made decades ago.

https://www.cincinnati.com/restricted/?return=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cincinnati.com%2Fstory%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2F2019%2F11%2F15%2Ffc-cincinnati-scoops-up-more-land%2F4157137002%2F FCC aquired more land for stadium. Is anyone a subscriber and is able to tell us what land FCC aquired?

More Walnut Hills related news... https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/11/14/exclusive-fast-growing-cincinnati-company-moves-hq.html?iana=hpmvp_cinci_news_headline Sharonville based company is relocating its HQ to Walnut Hills in the Cable House building.

Is this new development proposals? Apologies if old... Park Avenue Square https://wearewalnuthills.org/park-avenue-square/ Poste Phase II https://wearewalnuthills.org/poste-phase-2-2/

Do you have details on the name of the bars?

Would you care to explain how/when housing market value caps? For instance, single family homes in OTR back in 2002/2003 were going for 60/70k max. Now single family homes has capped at 1.1 million (I believe that is the most expensive home sale in otr to date). So if a home has the capability to cap at 1.1 million, in a neighborhood that still has many rough edges than how do you predict what the future housing cap will be in 20+ years once the neighborhood is fully gentrified?

If homes are pending near the 1 million range..when probably 60% of OTR is still not gentrified/hot spot crime areas/drug dealing......25 years down the line, when all of OTR is gentrified, when it becomes a very low crime neighborhood, all of the drug dealers have moved to Mason...Could we theoretically see single home value in OTR jump in the 10 - 15 Million Dollar range once OTR is 100% cleaned up and gentrified?

Sure, but as mentioned before 3cdc is literally not making improvements to fountain place, they are just filling in the vacant businesses with new businesses. I understand if they were going to build a new mixed use tower on that site but they arent...so your telling me it takes a year to find businesses to open at fountain place?

Just browsing 3cdc current projects page... They are still wrapped up with; Behlen Building Meiner's Building 4th and Race Doesn't seem that much of a heavy work load at the moment compared to past years.