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Is that not where the cincinnati ballet is located? Are they moving?

That's why I think that 3cdc will move forward with the boutique hotel/mixed use development first (where the empty parking lot now sits by the convention center) and use that as a buffer to take on some of the lost rooms.

Cranleys comment near the end of the article hinted that it would an expansion of the convention center and hotel.

Is the plan to still keep it a park? Do you know?

Findlay should absolutely be redeveloped. As other have noted, you could build a seriously dense Mercer style project their. It's interesting to note that Findley Playground used to be the hotspot for crime, but when they closed that park it migrated to Grant Park. If Findley park reopens does the crime return back to Findlay Park? I know there is only so much police can do, but why not have police guards, maybe 3-5 that solely guard and protect that area 24/7. Like a night watch. Clearly it's the epicenter for crime in otr currently so why not have officers face down the crime and keep the peace.

I remember when Ziegler park was a mess and there would be constant drug dealing and just general shadiness gong on there. It wasn't far from the main St business district either. I think the problem are the residents. Not all of them, just the handful that still commit to a life of drug dealing/crime/violence. The few that have no career prospects other than maintaining their "Street Cred" The article states the women saying it's outsiders causing the issues...but surely they are being invited in by some of the bad apple residents. Flies aren't simply attracted to thin air. We argue back and forth about the weight of gentrification, poverty, housing low income residents..The reality is that poverty is an output of violence. When you are poor, like REALLY poor, you don't think about tomorrow and think solely about today. I watched a great documentary about a neighborhood in a big city gentrifying..one of the long time residents who was interviewed said that being poor is like having terminal cancer. You know your dying and are going to die, so who cares about what tomorrow brings. He stated he robbed, stole, and didn't blink twice because he was dying with no vision of a tomorrow. Reality is that this won't ever be fixed. There will never be a Utopia where poor people and rich people can live side by side and live in Harmony.

Thought this was interesting, and haven't seen this discussed before...Road improvement proposal plan for Liberty Hill. Not sure if it belongs in this thread but I don't think there is a current dedicated topic for liberty Hill yet.

I would argue that if you take someone else's life through an act of violence then it should be an automatic sentencing of life in prison/death penalty. Eye for an eye. Unfortunately, many criminals who commit murder on the streets know that if they are caught it would equate to a sentence of 15 years of even less.

So what's the solution? I imagine policing that area more won't be the solution either....I just don't understand why this area has allowed to become so lawless. Many of the residents say these are outsiders that are causing the violence but why are they making this their new home?

https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/cincinnati/over-the-rhine/shootings-near-grant-park-leave-neighbors-afraid-for-their-children-calling-on-city-to-act So what is the solution? Most of OTR shooting this year have happened at this park. It's clear that this is ground zero. Findley Playground is closed because of crime...is it time to do the same for Grant Park? It's just sad that neighborhood residents feel the urge to stay hidden inside or move our of otr completely...this just gives me so many circa 2004 OTR vibes even with all the positive momentum that has happened in the past decade.

What are you basing these towers off of?

https://www.wvxu.org/post/multi-story-downtown-building-coming-down-what-remains-be-seen#stream/0 Thr commentary by the port CEO is interesting about future development plans for that lot...."Botique Hotel, apartments, and retail." It would make the most sense for this botique Hotel to be constructed first by 3cdc as a way to gap the loss of hotel rooms by the millennium and then refocus towards building the new convention hotel.

I'd have less confidence if this was not associated with the convention overhaul plans..being that it probably is, we will probably see that site developed fairly quickly. In my mind, assuming millennium is redeveloped, I imagine any type of movement with that lot will probably occur after 4th and Race is done...which is probably another year or so...

That's alot of land wow!

Interesting, fingers crossed that this is a good sign and that it will remain a parking lot for a temporary period of time.

My bad

Just go to hcb Cincinnati website and select the latest date packet, scroll a bit and you'll find it.

There are some new renderings of the pleasant Street infill by 3cdc... Besides the disappointing lack in density they are mainly single family Condos with a faux historic design with fake brick and cornices galore.

I'm still trying to comprehend how they will manage the lack of supply in hotel rooms once the millennium is demolished. It will take years for the site to be fully redeveloped.

https://www.wvxu.org/post/library-wants-your-ideas-its-downtown-buildings Can we start with adequate lighting? The area around the library is pitch black and is not fun to walk through at night.... Aside from that, it would be nice if the library felt more inviting to tourists and residents alike. They could easily come up with a concept where they facilitate a library cafe, maybe use a portion of the rooftop as a bar and incorporate different educational events tied into that. The library just feels so shut off, and at times feels like a homeless shelter with how many homeless people use it a place of refuge. So many people refuse to use the library because of this due to feeling uncomfortable. You won't believe how many people refer to the library as a sketchy place because of this.

Hopefully this is a big traffic generator for court street. It's still so awkward to walk along court street on a saturday afternoon and see it be a complete ghost town. You might run into a few rambling homeless people that are yelling to themselves in the alleyways, but pedestrians are scarce. I know its been mentioned alot here, but Court Street has such potential as a commercial strip and have a flurry of pedestrian activity. It's a shame the city was so broke for so long that court street was so neglected for so many decades.

Hopefully adding new residents will help. Hard to service the current residents when the majority of them are living paycheck to paycheck and barely have money for groceries as is. Walnut Hills needs residents that have flexible money to go out to bars/restaurants/cafes, etc. Right now that just doesn't exist, and until that happens you will see alot of businesses close in Walnut Hills....that's the tricky business when it comes to being the first pioneers in a gentrifying neighborhood.....You become very self reliant on tourists from various neighborhoods, but can never rely on the residents of your specific neighborhood because they have no money.

How many office workers can fit in fountain place? I know 84.51 is expanding quite significantly so I'm curious if fountain place can't fulfill the growth that 84.51 is seeking

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/08/09/cincinnatis-office-space-is-vanishing.html?iana=hpmvp_cinci_news_headline Interesting read....Sounds like development of more Class A office towers could be headed to the urban core in the near future based off the data.

Im fairly certain that Hamilton County, 3CDC, Port Authority and Vandercar are all coming up with a master plan for both sites. The success of the convention center and of a convention center hotel/hotels is pretty high priority for these groups.