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This video was mainly meant to showcase Populous stadium redesign...

Greek food/Cafe/bakery coming to OTR https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/07/15/greek-cafe-coming-to-over-the-rhine.html?iana=hpmvp_cinci_news_headline Loving otr being a multicultural hub for food. Still need legit Indian food, legit Mexican food (not Bakersfield), Ethiopian food, Cincinnati Food (Chili, Goetta, Larosas? Anything that is actually Cincy food related would be great), etc... Still really excited to try Teak again once it opens up soon as well in otr.

I'm confused where they could build the hotel and garage without affecting the Kroger surface lot?

How many guests rooms is the hotel? I'm curious how many parking spots this hotel will need for hotel guests and hotel employees....will this 4 story garage structure be for just hotel patrons or Kroger customers as well?

Would that be just the hotel foot print without any parking structure? If so, can you show how much of the surface lot would remain would a new parking garage structure on that site.

So how will parking now work for the Clifton Kroger? Will the hotel residents and grocery customers be able to use the same hotel garage?

Can someone draw a rough sketch of how this will look and how much of the surface lot this will eat up with the hotel, and the structured garage?

Still surprising regardless. Never thought anything would ever be on this site.

Hotel planned on Clifton Kroger parking lot https://www.cincinnati.com/story/money/2019/07/12/hotel-planned-corryville-kroger-site/1717506001/

I understand the perception...but what Cincy was back in the early - mid 2000's is NOTHING compared to what it is today... The banks was a massive parking lot. OTR was a crime filled, drug laden wasteland with demolition every other month. There was no night life except for some bars scattered around the CBD and Mt. Adams being the focal point. There was no street car, even as a so called "choo choo" train, it's still a good starting point for something bigger and more expansive....and with the right leadership well get there. I know 3cdc gets mixed impressions from time to time but they know what the hell they are doing. They turned this city around in a relatively short period that urbanists and other city officials are doing case studies and taking notes of their success. 3cdc knows what this city needs. It needs gentrification. It needs Luxery residential units. It needs rich people with spending power living downtown. I'm all for supporting the poor and needy but they do absolutely nothing for moving the city forward as a whole. All of the most big and successful cities in America have more educated and rich residents living in their urban core than poor and lower class...This is for a REASON... Poor people can't support the cities economy. Instead the city has to support them. This is why Luxery retail fleads from Cincy. They have no support....but with gentrification, by creating Luxery, by making otr a Disney Land full of obscure, overpriced resturaunts, by creating entertainment options and creating bars it creates a step forward that leads to what successful cities have. The sad reality is that we can't have a mixed city full of rich people and poor people living side by side. It's a demented dream. There will always be segregation, there will always be a south side of Chicago and a north side. I hate that im saying this, but it's the truth. 3cdc knows what the hell they are doing and for better or for worse it will get where cincy needs to be to compete with the large cities of America.

I think value is a factor for sure... But I think bigger factors are School Systems (Cincinnati public sucks), Safety (Can you walk alone at night downtown without overlooking your shoulder that you won't get mugged?), Ammenties (clothes stores, grocery stores, a bicycle store, a mom and pop vaccum store, etc), etc. I think people who want an urban downtown life won't be turned off by the value aspect. I think raising a family in downtown Cincy is tough with the crappy Cincinnati public school system, and lack of urban ammenties.

Wait why are you saying people are not living their when I have quite a few friends that already live at the banks? I'm not sure why their is a perceotion that no one lives at the banks when that is simply not true...

You can't really fix the school system though. 99.9 percent of people in Cincy choose their suburban neighborhoods because of the school districts...Mason, Sycamore, etc... Cincinnati Public school is just so disgustingly bad...I don't know how you raise your kids in the urban core and send then to Cincinnati public?

Exactly! Aside from the banks and portions of south of liberty otr how much entertainment saturation really is there? By and large most of the CBD is still grossly dead, aside for pockets like race St (thanks by and large to tokoyo kitty and north side distillery)...

Is 90s Main St era really a good comparison though? It fell flat on it's face not because of the entertainment and wildness but because of the 2001 OTR race riots that absolutely decimated OTR and left crime to spew like crazy years after. Also, how do people survive in Chicago or NYC? Any big city you will have hundreds upon thousands of pedestrians, you will have retail tenants on the ground floor, you will have the sound of buses, trams, cars, people chatting, hot dog vendors shouting, music in the streets...If a city is quiet and tranquil that's a MAJOR problem. Cities are not meant to places of quiet and tranquility. They are meant to be a hub for life, energy and and bustle.

Well obviously there should be more effort directed towards liviability but to be fair our downtown is quite compact and walkable and liveable. Even with the watered down liberty street diet it will still bring improvements regardless. They are making an effort to speed up the street car with signs priorization which was long overdue.... I think our biggest weak spot compared to other urban cores is our lack of dedicated bike lanes, which could theoretically be fixed with the new mayoral candidate after cranely leaves office. In regards to the entertainment aspect. Pushing focus towards entertainment isn't a bad thing, every large city has thousands of tourists each day because of those entertainment options... but I agree that there needs to be a practical balance. I think the problem with our city is that we are slowly reviving our downtown population but it's still not their yet. Meanwhile our entertainment options went from non existent back in the mid 2,000s to bursting at the seams today. Before we had a boring city AND a ghost town of a city. I still remember how that Cubs pitcher made fun of Cincy for being such a boring city after he wanted to explore the city after a game...I believe this was back in 2010- 2011 maybe? Trust me, you never want to be boring. .

1. I'm not sure where the evidence for the statement of 3cdc focusing less on residential and more on office/hotels, etc? Last I checked on the 3cdc current projects: 4th and Race - Residential Court and Walnut - Residential Court St Condos - Residential The Columbia - Residential Non Residential Current 3cdc Projects: Behlen Meiners Elm Industries Its almost 50/50 residential to office ratio which how it should be really... 2. I'm a huge street car supporter but it's current route really doesn't serve anything. It's sort of this in awkward phase where it doesn't really serve a purpose for residents, especially with the arrival of bird and lime scooters, electric red bikes, walking.... It needs to be connected to CVG/Uptown. Until that happens, it really doesn't serve a purpose as a viable public transportation device aside from cold winter days and rainy spring months....or for bar hopping suburban tourists which is exactly a great way to save money than rather using an Uber.... It needs more routes. Plain and simple. 3. I'm sure parking meters have gone up, but there is cheap/free parking in alot of downtown locations still. For instance the free court street parking...

The harsh reality is that Cincinnati is playing catch up after years of neglect. We need now apartments, we need more office space, but we also need more entertainment options. It's all a delicate balance..... Look at the ferris wheel... Such a simple thing but brings such a diverse crowd of families and children to the banks.

On the flip side there is a Starbucks already at 4th st which is less than a 3-5 min walk from the banks. Regardless, I would much prefer a Starbucks Reserve that spans 2 stories and features all of the extra features these concept stores have. Cincy deserves more. If we want the Asian tourists to start flocking to Cincy than we need an H & M, Apple Store, Rolex Store/Ultra Luxery Brand retail, Starbucks Reserve and an urban fitted McDonalds. It's not a very hard concept to figure out, but I'm guessing these retail Giants aren't exactly happy with where Cincy is at regardless...

Every large and vibrant city has a degree of chains to an extent. It's usually the impoverished cities, with low urban population rates, and high level of population poverty rates that struggle to bring on chains because the chains don't have a market to thrive on. So the building caters to some crappy botique shop that is open maybe 3 days a week with insane prices..or some food shack that is probably good but lacks any atmosphere or ambiance.

Which is perfectly fine. I would be totally fine if OTR is more botique shops and restaurants while the banks is more focused on tourist traps and chain resturaunts and retail. I would love if one of the banks phases to feature what Kenwood mall has with the Kenwood tower development across the street from Macy... Whole Foods market, Envision Cinema Movie Theater, a Few Resturaunts, a Crunch Fitness gym on the 2nd floor, Ground Floor retail shops with offices above.. Cincy needs a development like this. Full of entertainment, retail, food, all in one building scattered between a few floors. One day we'll get something similar.. Hopefully....

City Bird is good stuff. Their fried Chicken reminds me a bit of a dumbed down Rasing Cain's...they are popular to. They sell out all the time on weekends because of the drunk crowd. Thunderdome has 6 resturaunts in OTR all within a few blocks from each other on Vine..They saved Kaze from shutting down and are still opening their Italian Concept across the street from Sacred Beast..They do great stuff and OTR would not be the same without them. Their business model is clearly to have OTR be their test floor and if proven popular start chaining thr concept, which is hardly a bad thing. Every concept they come up with is killer. Even if the food isn't the best, they nail the drink menu, the atmosphere and the ambiance.

Im not really familiar with this project, but out of pure work boredom caught up on most of the 65 pages My only question is how is their 65 pages of comments on a 5 year project that has yet to even break ground, let alone have any construction equipment on the site...

Still blows my mind in some ways that Over the Rhine survived and still stands today.

In the wcpo article they said they will add fire pits and other such things to make the area around the Skystar a place where people linger and chill. Sounds like a win for this city. It's a beautiful addition to our skyline, and sounds like the operators are committed to making the area less carnival inspired and more permenant looking as well as adding elements to allow people to linger! Would be cool if they could add some mini food stalls around the Skystar where you can buy Coney's, pizza, ice cream and all that wonderful disgusting stuff!