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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/02/07/restaurant-owners-say-new-otr-parking-permits-hurt.html?iana=hpmvp_cinci_news_headline Owners of Taft Ale House and Salazar's say new parking restrictions have hurt business. Taft even threatened to move if business continues to dip. That said in the winter business is always slower. Nature of the best. It's been crazy weather with the snow, polar vortex, or constant rain...So I would probably wait to see year over year results to see if the parking restrictions have indeed made an impact.

Didn't pg sittenfield go on that big crusade to get enough votes to fund the diet and over ride the veto...what would be thr point of allocating all of that money and going through all of that political hoop jumping if the diet was never going to happen.

Very true. Even in the largest cities in America like NYC, Miami, Chicago, etc that all have built up rapid transit options, traffic still is a major reality. Traffic in your urban core is what sets you apart from being a tier 1 city (aka NYC, Chicago, etc), a tier 2 city (Cincy, Columbus, Cleveland, St. Louis) or a tier 3 city (Dayton, Akron, etc)

I agree. Alot of my friends who live in otr were traveling to party at different bars or friends houses to watcht the big game.

Why? 3cdc stated that they would shut down the Vine St Kroger shortly after the new Kroger is opened. Assuming 3cdc can get through the HCB approval process and get all of the necessary permits, it wouldn't seem unimaginable for the Kroger site to be cleared and ready for active construction by December/early January?

Hopefully that means we could be potentially see the Vine St Kroger demoed shortly after September and see new infill for that block of Vine in early winter

Ok, so if the majority growth is occurring in the urban downtown core of Columbus, how come every time I've been down town when the sun has gone down, even on weekends mind you, the entire area looks like an even worse ghost town than Cincy. I'm talking very, very little pedestrian street traffic, alot of vacant buildings with for lease signs as well, many parking lot craters just scattered about. Every time I've visited Columbus downtown it's been dead. Short North definitely has way more pedestrian traffic and feels much more alive but this active node is a further away than Cincy CBD is to Clifton (I guess maybe Norwood or Oakley would be a better comparison which is our outer urban neighborhoods.) So I'm ultimately not trying to attack...but I hear this alot, where folks will say that the growth has been occuring in the downtown area, but I don't understand where since Everytime I'm in Columbus, especially on a warm summer Saturday night, it's so dang dead and ghost town like. Where are all of these supposed growth and residents?

I feel like the only way a taller tower would be built is if a major fortune 500 tenant leased portions of the tower. It's a pipe dream, but it would be awesome if Cintas (pipe dream I know) or even World Pay (Vantiv) moved in. World Pay in particular in fields ertel is outgrowing there leased office space and parking lot.

I feel like this is a common issue that most mid-sized Midwestern cities face. There is still a strong hold on population growing densely within the urban core, versus outside the core. Millennials are slowly transitioning back into the urban core, but ultimately there are still far too many people who are suburban orientated and still intensely idolize the 3 story McMansion, with the 2 car garage, the picket white fence, and the lingering scent of freshly mowed grass. It's hard to build tall or even super-tall in these cities, when the urban core population density just simply doesn't support these type of developments. In Columbus particular case, it's growing at a rapid rate, but so much of this rapid growth has been concentrated miles away from the urban core itself.

Arnold Levine died last January...his son is the only remaining family member with the law practice. They have a low office in Pendelton so sort of makes sense why they have the lots. I'm sure if this project is a success, they will probably get a high ball offer in the future for the remaining Pendelton lot.

There's no reason why it can't be both at the end of the day. The banks is still as jam packed at night as main st otr for the bars and clubs they have at the banks. In all honesty, the banks can still use a few more bar concepts, dining options.... That said, this is great news. I've always complained in the past few years about how downtown lacks basic amenities that big cities have (like a full service grocery store, a full service chain gym)...It's remarkable the progress this city is making in such a short time. If you are 20 - something, recent college grad, new additions like this only persuades you even more to live downtown. It's about amenities. To gain population downtown, we need a grocery store, we need a full service quality gym, etc...This is a great, great step in the right direction for both the banks and downtown as a whole.

Not sure if you've ever been to otr...combined with it'd neighborhing historic neighborhoods Pendelton, Brighton, Prospect Hill, Old West End, etc...There is a reason why it was called Cincinnati's 2nd downtown at one point. It's a very large district...most districts in other cities are typically a handful of blocks in most cases.

You would be hard-pressed to not find a large historic neighborhood that wasn't demolished due to urban renewal in the Midwest. St. Louis, Detroit, and other major Midwest cities have very similar stories unfortunately. That being said, it's still a miracle that we were able to preserve otr and portions of the old west end. Neighborhoods like those, with the size and density that otr has intact is almost impossible to find in most major Midwest cities due to urban renewal.

Im refering to this most recent rendering by the developer from late december. That's why I'm confused about this demo conversation...it clearly shows the old building still incorporated and no other new renderings have since been released.

So are the most recent renderings inaccurate? Because the final rendering they released about 3 weeks ago still shows the old historic building standing and incorporated into the development

So I'm confused the latest plan by the developer showed that they were going to preserve this building...is that still the case?

Makes me wonder if they would ever expand there campus and purchase the corner lot from 3cdc on 12th and Vine.

Aside from all the cool things mentioned for the expansion of the art institute, it will be really to have an additional restaurant on the ground floor and a roof top bar will be quite popular considering how tall the building is.

Most of the south of liberty shootings have occurred on Walnut St or streets that intersects with Walnut next to the 15th block. I believe the last south liberty shooting occurred on Vine close to the Kroger store a few years back. Since then they have mostly been concentrated next to the last block of Walnut and liberty.

Yet there are single family homes listed for 1.5 million in some cases... It's quite strange that some folks are living in 600k dollar luxery condo with a triple shooting casually occurring on there doorstep.. And despite all this crime people still yearn to live in otr. It's really interesting to say the least!

I'm so happy this project won't be delayed. It's a massive development for Pendelton and OTR. We can debate the design back and forth for ages, but the bottom line is that otr needs dense residential units. OTR is far to dead on the weekdays at night. Just stroll through main Street at midnight and it's like a ghost town, compare to how the street is flooded on the weekends. Hell, even pins closes at midnight last night because there was no one there. Plain and simple we need more people living in otr, and we need ALOT more people. It's not just about allowing these businesses in otr thriving on weekends but also on week days as well. Plus, more residents means more "eyes" on the street which will allow the bad apples who still thrive in drug dealing and there bad criminal behavior to realize that they have to go to price Hill or Avondale to do there new criminal activites. When the streets are dead, crime thrives. Plain and simple. We need people who live in otr to deter crime and support businesses regardless of how appropriate the design may or may not be.

I was at 16 bit last night and unfortunately a triple shooting occurred while I was there. 3 men shooting each other on the street and could've easily hit a by stander. Sad and I hope this won't hurt otr reputation

The most recent plans showed them preseving the historic building

It would be a permanent location.

I thought this might require it's own thread. Council member PG Sittenfeld is pursuing a permanent Food Truck Park installation in the city of Cincinnati, similar to what Austin TX features and other major cities feature.