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This is slightly off topic... But I went to Madison Indiana over the weekend. I went their because it was highly recommend that if I loved otr that I should go see Madison. I have to say, Madison was nice and I enjoyed that it was a small little town that embraced historic preservation, but overall I wasn't really impressed. I don't know why but it felt smaller than otr, at least the "downtown" business district section. Otr is just way more impressive with it's landmarks like music hall and Findley market, and it's small nook and crannies. Also, the business district was mostly dead. I guess alot of it has to do with Covid, but I did see quite a few empty buildings with for sale signs. I was happy to see an old warehouse looking building by the riverfront being renovated to be a new Marriot hotel... Madison has alot of charm thanks to it's architecture, but it's definitely missing the shopping district charm that even a smaller tiny town like Yellow Springs has in spades.

It's only a matter of time until there is nothing left to gentrify in oakley so naturally developers will cross over to Norwood because of the proximity...Norwood has a ton of beautiful historic homes as well that I would love to see refurbished.

Most 4eg bars don't exclusively focus on one music category. There are very few bars that focus exclusively on hip hop and rap...and those bars always face trouble...

Once again, "Chalet" downtown is a hip hop oriented bar. When has this ever happened to a gay club. These hip hop bars attract the worst humans for whatever reason.

J. Rodgers isnt a bad guy. His clubs attract bad apples but is it really his fault? On the weekends there was almost always a police guard next to OTR Live/Treehouse for safety purposes. They have a dress code, they have a security guard with an electric wand who would pat you down..they do all the right things aside from being annoying with the loud music. I don't want to make this thread controversial, but unfortunately alot of bad apples like rap music and clubs that play exclusively rap music. It's hard to find a bar that is exclusively a "hip hop" bar that doesn't cause controversy. Why don't gay clubs cause this same amount of nuisance? Why doesn't edm clubs cause this same amount of nuisance? It's almost always hip block, rap clubs that cause issues... But if this is indeed true, does this mean otr/downtown can't host clubs that exclusively cater to hip hop music? How can we better socially tame these people who like rap music and attend these clubs to be better humans?

You take a few bad apples and make them spoil the entire bunch? Rhinehaus is a great bar that unites FCC fans before, during and after games. 3 points is a great tap room that hosts regular events for the neighborhood including bachelor watch parties. Homemakers bar on Walnut hosts almost daily events, including donation drives and cocktail mixology classes. 16 bit brings alot of families and kids when kids are allowed during the day and afternoon hours. Point is, bars have the ability to be more than just where you get rowdy and drunk. They can bring a local community together as a whole.

I think the sycamore project will help some. Adding a sizeable amount of new residents and new businesses could have a spillover effect and activate Ziegler Park more in result. That said, I think bars tend to activate blocks more than resturaunts. Resturaunts, especially in otr tend to be closed Sunday and/or monday and they usually close around 9/10 on weekdays. A popular otr bar are usually open 7 days a week and usually open at 2pm and stay open until 2:30am. Definitely creates more activation coverage in the long term. Plus resturaunts tend to close. Bars don't really close that often because their margins are higher and you need less people to run a bar versus staffing a full service resturaunt.

Yes I have noticed this as well. You would think that the nice renovated park and the addition of more families and kids would deter the drug dealers but they don't. You still see the same dude, on the same corner selling the same drug and then getting in the same loud shouting matches day in and day out. This is why gentrification is tricky. People of lower income are the demand that meets the supply for these dealers. So in theory the less affordable housing you have and the more rich people you have the less drug dealers you will have because the demand won't meet their supply...but poor people are humans to and you have to find a way to be kind heart and sympathetic..so how do you balance these 2 very polar opposites? I'm not saying poor people are the cause of otr problems past and present problems. Obviously it's much more complex than that. But if you walk around otr on any given day or night and you will see the stretches of affordable housing blocks that have police surrounded by these blocks on a consistent, almost weekly basis. That's why I often think about the future of otr. I don't know if the plan to make the socialist Utopia where rich and poor people live side by side is a realistic proposal. There is just too much data behind poverty and the relationship towards criminal behavior so how could this possibly mesh with rich people who are deterred by crime?

Anyone know when the last time that building was occupied? The building looks to be in very fair shape.

Developer is trying to demo a 1999 built non contributing building on Woodward street and build a one story commercial building that will house either a bar or a restaurant. Not sure how the anti gentrification crowd will take this. Isn't this essentially demolishing affordable housing so rich people can have another option to eat or drink?

If they have the investors and billions of dollars to make it happen then I hope they go for it. Would be really cool for our region. Otherwise it will never happen.

A name brand boutique hotel makes way to much sense not to happen. Traveling supporter fans is a big thing in mls, so I definitely think a nearby stadium hotel could nicely support traveling away fans, and greater cincinnatians who don't go to every fcc game but want to make an mini vacation from it (like nearby dayton). Only hotel options are still only cbd/banks/uptown. Still nothing in otr/west end.

Article mentions Late Fed/Early March Opening Date...Tuesday to Saturday, will be open till 9 or 10pm, they haven't decided yet. Slightly disappointing that once again very few food entrepreneurs capitalize the late night bar crowd on weekends...I mean goodfellas line often stretches out the door for a block around 2:00am. Clearly there is demand for food after drinking, so why don't more otr dining options capitalize on this?

Upcoming hcb packet agenda includes plan for 1905 elm Street to be rehabbed....Ive heard rumors from Rhinegeist employees that it will be a new brewery with a tap room. Glad to see more development especially right across the street from Rhinegeist...but Ive always saw that building as an opportunity for demo and building something more dense on that corner.

I wonder if the new addition of billionaire Meg Whitman to the ownership group will help infuse an influx of cash to appropriately fund the additional development quicker?

A 10 store building will be quite nice! I'm hoping that the daycare part is true. It's really hard finding a legit daycare in the urban core that is reputable. This might be a small thing, but that is a huge barrier for some younger millenial couples with kids to move down to the urban core because of the lack of quality day cares.

Not sure in regards to that particular footprint, but the average typical hard rock casino hotel is around 12 stories in height.

Im not a subscriber either, but from what I've heard is that the hard rock hotel will feature "Las Vegas" like features..Luxery suites, rooftop pool, night club on ground level, etc. I'm not if this is what the article talks about though in terms of the unique features of the hard rock hotel coming.

I just wanted to add that I hope this building can finally have a long term tenant. It's a really strong spot that has a turn over for tenants. Picnic and Pantry was a nice little bodega type of store, and the Indian place was decent but really confusing. Hopefully boom box can stay longer than a handful of years.

The new night club, "Ghost Baby" will open soon a few blocks down off on republic/Vine. The Jazz Bar will open in the Behlen Vine Street building in the spring, standard otr (a craft beer shop/tap room bar) will open a few blocks away on 15th and race. Bar Bar OTR by the Queen City Radio folks will open soon as well on race. I have a feeling they will ultimately be fine...but I do wonder if the recently renovated Columbia Building commercial space off of Walnut would have been better to some degree.

Customer aquisition. Location always play a role for a business to be successful, but the aquisition of the customer via social media is just as vital. They have done an excellent job on exposing their brand through social media, creating "boom box stickers", etc. The thing about their off the beaten path location on main was that you typically didn't know it was their unless you found out through Instagram/Facebook. The guy who makes the buns isn't even their every weekend selling them...so I think that just really highlights how important social media is with driving sales and customer aquisition. I think this location will be fairly successful as long as they keep consistent hours, expand their menu a bit, and hopefully target late night folks who want to eat after drinking.

Regardless if the demo requires a full year from once the process begins, they can surely finalize their firm plan once demolition is nearing to completion...

I mean they have a firm plan I thought? Aren't they weighing the 3 options of the various hotel rooms with one option being a convention center expansion beneath and the other two options with no convention expansion with less rooms? There was an info graphic published by the business courier not to long ago regarding this.

Probably less than 2. A dedicated connected convention center hotel is critical for most convention centers in US Cities. Convention Center officials are also very bullish on wanting to expand the center. I think that serves as a dual purpose project and will have a quick turn around time on getting this site redeveloped into a new name brand convention center hotel with an expanded convention center underneath the hotel.