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A legacy of government waste. Who knows what the final tab will be. I do like its new updated look though!

Nope. To make it survive a car bomb or truck bomb. Nope. It's a ''green'' project (I thought it was). Supposed to be one of Obama's highly visible legacy projects of combining his stimulus money with energy conservation, and while they were at it, adding higher security measures in the process. If the ''green'' aspect of this project was absent, so would this 7 year project-fiasco. A lot of that 2009 stimulus $ was, if you recall, supposed to go for solar panels (think the Solyndra Scandal), cube cars for DC government workers etc. This fiasco at the Celebrezze Federal Building is not about it surviving car or truck bomb. http://s.cleveland.com/k0fZYeO

Looks like Breanne, the human/artist/teacher, and a few posters here so far, left out Cleveland's most pressing social hate issue: gun violence. Wonder how much Land Studio and Breanne pocketed for this less than creative design. Isn't that the Gay Rainbow, or a variation of it, backdrop with an addition of ''No'' to Franklin's "Silence Dogood" plopped on it? This human/artist/teacher Breanne uses Ben Franklin in her ''art'' and then questions his abolitionist credentials while mentioning that he freed his slaves. wtf. Guess Breanne never heard the expression ''actions speak louder than words''.

Agree on the outlet malls. There's no reason they should be on the lake. That is, unless they're designed specifically as part of a larger waterfront attraction, and that's not happening without a greater overall vision and a much better developer. Now wasn't it Geiss that had an ambitious looking plan for high or mid rise office space adjacent to Burke? We shouldn't be evaluating the value of the airport by what it is now, but what it can or should be. The pedestrian bridge from Mall C to the lakefront is a must. Having E 9th Street as the main access to the lakefront/North Coast Harbor is a disaster. Watch the poor people simply trying to cross the street, especially early in the a.m. rush. They know they could be killed by a car at any moment. So true. Try biking to the lakefront via E 9th Street, especially in the summer. Between parking garage entrances, access to the east/west shoreway, Rock-n-Roll Blvd, the N Marginal, there were about 9 vehicle access points to and from E 9th. Seeing those cars hurtling toward you exiting from the shoreway...pedestrians/bikers have to be alert down there no doubt. The good point though is that there are a lot of people enjoying the area. Btw, there were no bike racks on North Coast Harbor!

I've been to Kamm's Corner quite a few times and while it's fine, I didn't think of it as having a more stable environment as, say, Detroit-Shoreway and certainly not like Edgewater. I always viewed Kamm's Corners as little like the bizarro conservative version of Coventry in Cleveland Heights. Prediction: West Blvd will see significant reinvestment in the next few years. Appears to have a lot of not-too-fancy-but good housing stock there, just waiting for some tlc. Kamms takes a lot of hits for being ''bizarro conservative'' but it's the last bastion of middle class Cleveland, despite the city lifting the residency requirement. It's not what it once was as some crime that never happened there is happening now but to see the property values increasing there is a relief. The area is not as locals-oriented as it once was and the bars/restaurants on Lorain Avenue section now attract people from the CLE region (spending $ in Cleveland). Nothing wrong with a ''bizarro conservative'' neighborhood as you describe it as the area is keeping taxpayers in the city and being typical ''bizarro conservatives'', the residents invest in their homes (stable housing stock) and community, adding to the city's tax base.

It's a great building, no doubt, and at least it's not on the demo-list (at least I hope it isn't!).

All this $$ to allegedly save $$ by making this building ''green''.

Nice to see some more ''green'' around the city, especially in the Kamms and Central areas.

What do you mean by "second downtown" exactly? From those massing studies it looks like they want to do something about that Chester-Euclid-MLK intersection. Right now it's a mess that cuts off the neighborhood and contains a bunch of wasted green space. Can I dream about seeing that turned into a nice big traffic circle one day? Beleive he is talking about Doan's Corners https://clevelandhistorical.org/items/show/49?tour=43&index=7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/105th_and_Euclid Maybe the famous intersection should be renamed "Willis Corners".

Agree on the outlet malls. There's no reason they should be on the lake. That is, unless they're designed specifically as part of a larger waterfront attraction, and that's not happening without a greater overall vision and a much better developer. Now wasn't it Geiss that had an ambitious looking plan for high or mid rise office space adjacent to Burke? We shouldn't be evaluating the value of the airport by what it is now, but what it can or should be. The pedestrian bridge from Mall C to the lakefront is a must. Having E 9th Street as the main access to the lakefront/North Coast Harbor is a disaster.

Wanted Burke to be gone; now, I think it should stay and be utilized and promoted for the asset it is.

At least the City Beautiful movement provided some great architecture.

I don't really dislike the block C but maybe people need to get used to it, especially around the country. But wearing my block C hat out of town does result in Chicago or Cincinnati questions, not Cleveland. It's generic since Cincinnati has a C and Chicago Cubs has a C.

I don't find the Chief offensive either and don't care either way if he stays or goes. The Cleveland ''C'' is generic and people out of town think it's Cincinnati or Chicago often times. The name Cleveland Indians needs to go as well as John Adams and his Indian War Drum beating in the bleachers. Logo, team name, and drum, all need to go. The Chief was updated since his inception 70 years ago. The current version has a happy Indian....the original, not so much.

My bad I guess, just when you stated you wouldn't buy merchandise with Chief Wahoo on it 'cause you're uncomfortable...usually is a sign someone doesn't like the logo, but not in your case I guess, so I stand corrected. Doesn't like is not the same as offended by. So continue to stand corrected. Btw, you didn't say you didn't like Chief Wahoo; you think its weird and inappropriate. Inappropriate carries a connotation of offensive. There's a difference.

That's all good and nice but the Chief Wahoo has been around for 70 years; why is it an issue now? Besides the name Fighting Irish was used as nickname for a military unit, easily could have applied to the Fighting Jews, Italians, or Polish if they were there. The nickname carries negative connotations today. Btw, Kilmer was a member of NY's 69th Regiment (the Fighting 69th) with Father Duffy of Times Square's Duffy Square. Wonder if someone will come up with a reason to take his statue down along with fellow Irishman George Cohan's? I mean the Irish are supposed to be notorious racists after all and Cohan wrote all those WWI patriotic songs. The whole idea of who controls the name and who named them seems lost on you. Don't care. It's a negative stereotype. MLB or NCAA, it's a negative stereotype in 2018. That's my opinion. Deal with it or not but I'll get kicked out of here for continuing this topic-discussion. Sorry but that's true as well in this ''open forum''. Thanks for the back-n-forth though. It's all good.

But that's where we're at in 2018: American Oppression Olympics.

That's all good and nice but the Chief Wahoo has been around for 70 years; why is it an issue now? Besides the name Fighting Irish was used as nickname for a military unit, easily could have applied to the Fighting Jews, Italians, or Polish if they were there. The nickname carries negative connotations today. Btw, Kilmer was a member of NY's 69th Regiment (the Fighting 69th) with Father Duffy of Times Square's Duffy Square. Wonder if someone will come up with a reason to take his statue down along with fellow Irishman George Cohan's? I mean the Irish are supposed to be notorious racists after all and Cohan wrote all those WWI patriotic songs.

My bad I guess, just when you stated you wouldn't buy merchandise with Chief Wahoo on it 'cause you're uncomfortable...usually is a sign someone doesn't like the logo, but not in your case I guess, so I stand corrected.

Why is it limited to only Irish Americans taking offense? The Fighting Irish is supposed to be a fun stereotype 'cause there's nothing better than violence and alcoholism, then the Paddy Wagon can come by and scoop 'em all up. Are you a Native American that pressured the Cleveland Indians to get rid of Chief Wahoo? You're an Italian-American offended by Chief Wahoo...hmm.

Of course the Irish won't take offense, they're supposed to be a bunch of brawling drunks, much like most Native Americans didn't take offense with Chief Wahoo. Calling a group a name is not the same as a caricature. Btw, is everyone on here happy to see Chief Wahoo gone a Native American? Why don't these same folks pressure Notre Dame and any other team using any stereotype caricature to remove same?

I'd give this one up. As I said, I'm 100% Irish and obviously the leprechaun isn't offensive. But it's hard to say the same rationale cannot be applied to Fighting Irish as would Fighting Sioux, etc. You can give up on it; don't care if you're 200% Irish either. That's the point: how is the Fighting Irish, using a leprechaun ready to mix it up not offensive and the Fighting Sioux with a dude in an Indian outfit is? Many American Indians weren't offended by Chief Wahoo either.

I'm 100% Irish and the image I see illicits a man of small stature looking to fight. Ever get stereotyped in a job interview?

Who cares; it's a negative image-stereotype.

Sorry but it's negative stereotype of the Irish being a violent people and carries connotations that the Irish are lazy, drunks, and shiftless. So, it's only if an actual person is depicted as a racist caricature is the issue?