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Not sure what your misplaced ''coal mines'' analogy has to do with immigration since the coal jobs issue relates to unemployed U.S. coal workers. Regardless, as I stated above, and to your relief I'm sure, Illegal Immigration is still OK. It's only Legal Immigration that is in issue where the U.S. Government has the temerity to decide who should be allowed to legally enter the U.S. on a path towards citizenship. Using qualifications such as education, employment skills, social history etc. is simply incomprehensible to some in 2017. Sounds like a lot of native born Americans take the privilege of their citizenship for granted or have no connection to any legal immigrants, or they're simply really naive.

You make it sound like OH is now an official Red State. It could be but history has shown, as you know, that OH is neither permanently blue or red. You will need those ignorant morons to make OH a Blue State in 2020. Hillary's real problem was not her ''server scandal'', though it didn't help. If it was ever going to happen, Hillary's time was 2008. Chicago stepped in. In 2016, Trump stepped in.

Oh, because it's based on Merit and not who you know. Chain Immigration worked in the past, you know when America had factories, made things, and needed unskilled workers that didn't speak English, couldn't read, write, add or subtract. That's not the case any longer, so why shouldn't Immigration be based on merit or skill etc.? Family ties don't cut it anymore; merit and employment skills do. At least illegal immigration will still be OK.

OK, so it's a blanket ending of Chain Migration. Got it. So someone's family member in Ohio can't move to California to be with extended family. How are all those Puerto Rican migrants coming here then? Haven't heard of our Dear Leader's policy ending Chain Migration in the U.S.. The end is truly at-hand. Puerto Ricans are US citizens. Of course they are, which is why they are Chain Migrants, not Chain Immigrants.

The fact that you think this is a personal attack on Mr. Krumholz and defend him because you took one of his courses and think he's ''nice'' is truly telling. The planning director in Cleveland's '70s collapse surely is a large part of creating Cleveland 2017 as was his role in the Planning Commission until 2014.. Especially planning director in the corrupt Stokes and inept Kucinich years. I don't see the role of global forces on the topic of Cleveland's Public Square redesign that Krumholz opposed. So, Krumholz was still taking or trying to take a toll on Cleveland until 2014. What, again, were his ideas that were crushed by the ''corporate overlords'' (yep, you took a course at the Goodman-Levin ''Planning'' School)? Please don't go with that ''Equity Planning'' nonsense in a city like Cleveland where there is little to zero equity involved in that equation. What did Krumholz do for transit given that he killed the People Mover. Consider as well that Detroit and Jacksonville don't have any other rail systems in place so the PM issue is not comparable. Krumholz didn't like the route of the PM because it would block architecture, not because he thought it wouldn't work. Regardless, the PM was Cleveland's last gasp for a downtown complement to the rail transit lines as we're still stuck with a '30s train station in the bowels of what is now allegedly a ''retail mall''. Krumholz also presided over the last era of Cleveland being a transit progressive city when the RTA was created with its plans to implement a countywide rail network. This was opposed by Krumholz mainly because he saw the short-sighted benefit being to those living in the suburbs somehow being at the expense of poor residents in Cleveland. Didn't we just have a Public Square replay of this theme last year? Thanks Norm. Now we're stuck with the same old CTS and Shaker rail lines. Despite his alleged crushed plans for Cleveland's betterment, Krumholz is surely a leader in creating Cleveland's socialist 2017 reality.

OK, so it's a blanket ending of Chain Migration. Got it. So someone's family member in Ohio can't move to California to be with extended family. How are all those Puerto Rican migrants coming here then? Haven't heard of our Dear Leader's policy ending Chain Migration in the U.S.. The end is truly at-hand.

The problem with this point relates to the now ''ignorant people'' aka Trump voters that were Obama voters in 2008 and 2012. All these Obama haters and liberals sure weren't issues after either of those elections. So, it's ''ignorant people'' that voted for Trump's Ohio victory and ''not ignorant people'' when they twice voted for Obama. Got it. Are these ''ignorant people'' to use a Hillary term ''irredeemable'' or can they be redeemed if a Democrat carries Ohio in 2020? Just trying to pin down if they are always ignorant or just sometimes ignorant.

They're legal immigrants...and in love with the U.S. Cleveland could use lots more of these folks, just like the old days. Are they beneficiaries of chain migration? Good bye to that American institution. [/quote Why goodbye?

The state of 2017 Cleveland is not a bias against Krumholz being a planning director in the 1970s, it's reality. I'm sure he's a nice guy, this isn't personal but to you it is because you sat in his class. It all reads great on paper. Global forces took a toll on many U.S. cities, not just Cleveland, so going there in your argument translates to...you have no argument other than the fact you took a course from a nice guy. The fact that criticism of someone's ideas or policies is taken personally is a reflection of our ''default to being mean'' 2017 society we're stuck in. Also, Cleveland's '70s collapse led to suburban growth, so it had a lot to do with the condition of the City of Cleveland generally that many of its residents left. By the end of the '70s, Cleveland had a socialist Mayor with a socialist City Planner, with a population fleeing out of the city. Toss in busing and Cleveland was toast. Socialist Forces. The People Mover is just an example; he didn't oppose it because he thought it was a bad idea. He did oppose the redesign of Public Square as a bad idea though. The fact that you hang your argument on the People Mover while stating that Krumholz's blocked ideas (without mentioning any) would have saved Cleveland despite the ''global forces'' argument add-on is telling.

They're legal immigrants...and in love with the U.S. Cleveland could use lots more of these folks, just like the old days.

True, my experience as well. Love their reactions when they see a communist, socialist, or ''revolutionary'' demonstration in the U.S. given what they came from.

Then if Krumholz didn't really do anything in Cleveland for the 10 years the city collapsed, what's the big deal about this guy?

Yet, Krumholz didn't oppose the People Mover for being a bad idea. What were Krumholz's 1970s ideas regarding transit/RTA that we're seeing the benefits of in 2017 Cleveland?

Doesn't have much power yet he did kill the people mover, opposed RTA rail extensions, and is associated with Cleveland's collapse. Given your bias for Krumholz, it's not surprising that you tout his self-serving book and that socialist Equity Planning. Being a part of 3 administrations from '69-'79, especially the Stokes and Kucinich era, is enough that this guy is a short-sighted progressive-socialist. But hey, thanks for the Justice Center. Again, what Krumholz ideas were blocked that would have saved Cleveland?

Well, what were his policies that weren't enacted that would have left Cleveland in better shape? The issue with Krumholz is his 10 year legacy of Cleveland planner from 1969-1979. Krumholz presided over city planning in Cleveland in a decade when, for example, the city lost almost 25% of its population, derailed RTA's rail extensions, and killed the approved downtown People Mover project. Most recently he opposed the redesign of Public Square and the Opportunity Corridor. Despite his 1970s "Equity Planning'' credentials, after almost 50 years, Cleveland is a top, maybe the #1, poorest large city in the U.S. At least he allowed the Justice Center to be built; the removal of an entire block of early 20th/late 19th century buildings to be replaced by a moat brutalist-style concrete block skyscraper. The destruction of Short Vincent and the Euclid/E 9th corner with the NCB building is another ''winner''. The Krumholz association with socialist ''CLE default'' Mayor Kucinich doesnt' help his repuation.

Cleveland has an MSA, a CSA, and a ''region'' known as NEO. So, it starts at just over 2 million (MSA), jumps to 3.5 million (CSA), and jumps to about 4.5 million (NEO). There are a lot of people in and aoround Cleveland. Add in the fact that most of IKEAs goods are cheap to inexpensive and the ''prosperity'' argument folds. So for some reason, IKEA locates in two smaller CSA areas closer to Cleveland and avoids the larger one in Cleveland? High-end Nordstrom has locations in Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Columbus, and Cincinnati. Lower end IKEA can't be placed in Cleveland because of Pittsburgh/Columbus? Please.

I really don't think it's how Ikea would perform in Cleveland, rather how would a Cleveland store effect Columbus and Pittsburgh. With a Columbus store on the North end of that metro, and Pittsburgh store on the north end of that metro, that would put three stores in potentially too close proximity for their liking. And who knows what those stores balance sheets look like. Maybe they're not strong enough to take the blow of Clevelander's gaining their own location. If the Pittsburgh and Columbus IKEAs rely so much on Cleveland, then it's not saying much for those markets. 1/3 of Pittsburgh's IKEA sales are from Cleveland? Cincinnati has an IKEA within the Columbus and Indianapolis markets as well; these 3 markets are all relatively the same size so I don't buy that the PIT/COL IKEAs are blocking a Cleveland store. Btw, what's the big deal about IKEA? Is it some kind of status symbol to have a mediocre ''department'' store in a city/region? Lots of its goods are cheap.

Other posters here stated that MLS didn't care where the stadium actually ended-up; I thought that sounded fishy. Didn't read anything about Sacramento's bid being in jeopardy due to lack of investors. How did either cities' bid make it to the final selection with these major outstanding issues? So, Detroit is out? Deep pocket investors, Ford Field, and a huge metro population. I thought maybe MLS announced Nashville (Tues-Weds) and would do the same for the 2nd city (Thurs-Friday). How much more time is MLS going to give Cinci to get its stadium deal done?

I was reading about the MLS expansion and it seemed that Sacramento is a favorite, mainly due to its current team history and prior attempts to get an MLS team. So I figured Sacramento is getting a team; then I see Nashville named today. Detroit has a huge metro area and its MLS team involves some big $$/NBA owners (Pistons & Cavs). Detroit's Ford Field is the issue: can and will it attract Atlanta level crowds? Seattle plays in an NFL stadium as well. If MLS believes it can, then Detroit should get it, leaving Sacramento and Cinci out. No stadium drama for Detroit. Cinci can still pull this off though; there is still one announcement to go.

Right by a major military base as well. Let's let the investigation occur before speculation and conclusions are drawn. We've had enough of that in the media and from politicians about lots of topics. Seems initially to be a general safety concern about this project. The mayor of the town just north of this location made a dire warning about this line and its safety. Day 1 of line operation=deadly accident. This is the inaugural run for this line so an accident on day 1 is bizarre. Could be another north Philly type accident; heading into a curve too fast. Who knows. Let the NTSB do its work. Sad and tragic.

Why is the MLS supposed to be immune to moving teams? This article states that declining revenues should not be a cause to leave a city...huh? Columbus Crew Stadium is the ''spiritual home'' of US soccer? Slap in the face to Crew fans. Welcome to professional sports MLS fans. This writer is only using the Columbus situation because Minneapolis just got an expansion team playing. I don't know the cost or if there was local drama in MN getting its franchise. Maybe it's the writer's wishing-and-hoping attempt to avoid the scenarios other established major league sports face: teams lose money=owners move teams. It's the easiest equation of all time. Owners move teams for other reasons as well, for example, higher growth potential. The MLS is old enough now and has to face the fact that some teams may move. MLS is supposed to be Major League. There's gonna be some slaps in some faces. The MLS is old enough now and has to deal with the fact that some teams may move. Columbus is just the first time the MLS has had to deal with this issue. Not sure how it will work out in the end but if the owner/s want out, they get out. Cincinnati is simultaneously competing for an expansion team. That can't help if Cinci gets a team. The issue is soccer the world over is different. As far as I know teams don't move. If a team can be profitable in a small town in Spain or England or Germany why not here in a mid sized city? You can't use the excuse anymore that soccer isn't popular here, because it now is. Many sports are played the world over. Soccer is one of those sports. It's up to the owners; in this Precourt wants out of Columbus. Simply because you claim the issue is that ''soccer the world over is different'' doesn't mean Precourt can't or won't move The Crew. Hope it works out. The latest round of MLS expansion is expected in the next couple of days.

Want = demand. I want to use RTA. It doesn't exist where/when I want to use it, though it did not too long ago. Does that mean that my demand does not exist? Need=Demand. Wanting and needing are two different things. There aren't any ''needers'' in your scenario. Why would RTA serve your ''where and when I want'' scenario? RTA serves or should serve where the ''need'' for transit exists. Why no accounting for the people that don't work downtown anymore, live in the suburbs or collar counties? No more need. Why is RTA spending $7.5 million on rebuilding the E 34/Campus station? A location with no need for public transit let alone any ''wanters'' of it, yet it is served with a new station. Wouldn't that $$ be better spent in an area where there is a need for public transit, unless of course it's a ''want where and when I need it'' situation as you described.

With that reasoning, Columbus should be in good standing for another city's re-location or an expansion under new ownership. Right or wrong business decision, Precourt wants out of Columbus

Why is the MLS supposed to be immune to moving teams? This article states that declining revenues should not be a cause to leave a city...huh? Columbus Crew Stadium is the ''spiritual home'' of US soccer? Slap in the face to Crew fans. Welcome to professional sports MLS fans. This writer is only using the Columbus situation because Minneapolis just got an expansion team playing. I don't know the cost or if there was local drama in MN getting its franchise. Maybe it's the writer's wishing-and-hoping attempt to avoid the scenarios other established major league sports face: teams lose money=owners move teams. It's the easiest equation of all time. Owners move teams for other reasons as well, for example, higher growth potential. The MLS is old enough now and has to face the fact that some teams may move. MLS is supposed to be Major League. There's gonna be some slaps in some faces. The MLS is old enough now and has to deal with the fact that some teams may move. Columbus is just the first time the MLS has had to deal with this issue. Not sure how it will work out in the end but if the owner/s want out, they get out. Cincinnati is simultaneously competing for an expansion team. That can't help if Cinci gets a team.

Hardly the same...sorry but the Crew leaving Columbus is not equivalent to the Browns leaving Cleveland.