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Court is going to be an interesting sample of what an OTR street might look like without all the design and height restrictions.

Anecdotally, I agree. I've been to MadTree exactly once (when going to a movie in Oakley), whereas I've been to Rhinegeist and Taft's Ale House dozens of times. I never went to MadTree when it was in its old location. I certainly don't get the impression that they hurt for business in their current location, but I expect they'd draw a different crowd with an outpost downtown.

The only reason to go is the Northstar Cafe.

Many more people will see the outside, much more often. (People who are funding this thing with their tax dollars.) If Music Hall looked bad from the outside but great on the inside, Washington Park and OTR in general would be missing their centerpiece.

That's largely a function of where land was annexed, though. If Dayton were able to annex along 75 South, 35 East, or 675 to the south/east, things would look very different from a municipal population perspective. I agree, and this wasn't something I or (I think) @edale were contradicting. The only dispute was with @jonoh81 citing the recent halt in annexation nullifying annexation's effect on population numbers. It's definitely still a part of the story.

I think the argument is that population growth from development on annexed land is still, at least in part, "due to annexation." I think this is supported by the simple fact of it being cheaper and easier to develop on a green field than doing in-fill. It would further be supported if developer interest in the land in question was part of the impetus behind annexation (which would clearly be the case if, e.g., annexation is tied to utility expansion; demand for utilities would come from people wanting to develop the land).

The Banks and 4th Street Live both had a Howl at the Moon dueling piano bar. (The Louisville one is still there.)

Lol. I had a very similar experience in Louisville a couple years ago. I went to a craft beer bar on Bardstown Rd. with a bajillion taps (the name escapes me) and noticed, looking at the menu, they'd recently had a tap takeover from Rhinegeist. (They still had some other stuff, but Rhinegeist made up more than half the list.) I asked the server for a recommendation for something local and they started right into the Rhinegeist stuff. It got me thinking about what non-local stuff someone in Cincinnati might recommend as "local," particularly in terms of beer. Maybe West 6th? But probably not. I definitely don't think anything from Louisville would make the cut. It might depend to some degree what side of the river you're on. A bartender in Covington is probably more likely to steer a patron towards West 6th or KY Bourbon Barrel Ale.

I've seen people in other cities (Louisville, Columbus, Indy) recommend Thunderdome restaurants (Eagle, Bakersfield) to tourists/visitors as though they're restaurants unique to their city. Cincinnatians may be more clued-in on average since there are city and suburb versions of many of these places. But I think you're right that many don't realize, and I often see the Eagle recommended to visitors from nearby cities that have one. Kind of like the Hofbrauhaus, which long gone are the days that the Newport one was the only one in the US.

Ha. There's a good chance I was frequenting those BBS's at that time.

This is the kind of random fact I browse UrbanOhio for.

Ahem.

It appears rather sketchy, like buying votes. I don't know if it's illegal, but probably violates the spirit of some laws if not the letter.

This is a sure sign development is slowing in OTR.

I am planning to attend.

There's a Kroger and an urban-format Target a couple blocks from each other near UC in Cincy.

Definitely this. Though I would say HP beats Mt. Lookout easily in fancy residential architecture, if we're pitting the wealthy neighborhoods against each other.

I'll echo what others have said. CP clearly has the better selection of coasters (probably the best in the country). But KI also has a good selection of different coasters; nothing to sneeze at at all. Plus KI has smaller crowds, which means you can more easily ride favorites more than once. IMO, the Beast is worth the trip alone. Nothing like that at CP.

I said "fairly unique", which may not have been the best phrasing, but without finding hard numbers I've found a few references to Cincinnati having a worse landslide problem than anywhere else, so "uniquely bad" may be correct. e.g. this quote from a 2007 Cincinnati Post (RIP) article:

They have some landslide problems, but google "landslide capital of the United States"

Cincinnati's hill situation is fairly unique, because the landslide situation is so bad. Like San Francisco-type development would just be impossible because the soil is so unstable.

Fine, I mean you're the one doing the analysis so you get to decided how macro-level you want to get or what the timeline you're looking at is. But in terms of assets, opportunities, trajectories measured in decades, you could expand what you are looking at in the way I described. I'm not making any case that the present situations are closely comparable.

They're cities to look at for inspiration, because those are cities that have risen to a higher level using similar assets to what the Ohio cities have. Atlanta is a state capital that went from a midsized city to a tier-2 city in recent decades, as Columbus aspires to do. Chicago and Toronto are the most successful Great Lakes cities. Philadelphia is a gritty historic city that has leveraged its historic architecture for revitalization. They're not perfect comparisons, but if you're only looking at cities on your level then you're missing opportunities. Watching what higher-tier cities are doing with similar assets is an important tool for growth,

Don't know how much I agree with this, but definitely not for Columbus. Columbus should be looking at southern and western cities, especially capitals, as its growth pattern and built environment most resembles those. Oklahoma City and Salt Lake City should be on the list for Columbus. Probably also Atlanta. Cleveland should have Detroit on there. Perhaps also Chicago and Toronto as more "aspirational peers." Cleveland and Columbus could both add Minneapolis. Cleveland and Cincinnati should have St. Louis, as you mentioned. And scratch the Californian and Texan cities for them. Add Baltimore. Cincinnati could add New Orleans and along those "aspirational peer" lines maybe Philadelphia.

When I saw that, I was like "Ope!"