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Which is incredible when thinking about how Euclid looked just a decade ago.

Right, will this league keep it's teams in existing cities forever? I'm thinking no. Despite their marketing MLS is not the NBA or NFL. Cleveland supports the Monsters pretty well. There's no reason why the area couldn't have an MLS team even with the Tribe, Cavs and Browns. It's not going to happen next week but never say never.

Why? MLS is not the Primer League with established teams that date back a century plus. They're all new franchises basically. These teams can and likely will still move around. Also there could be a contraction if the league can't generate more TV revenue. These new owners are paying way too much in franchise fees. The actual revenue generated is still quite low compared to the Primer, NBA, MLB, etc. Teams have a lot of growing pains ahead of them even to reach the level of the NHL. So with this in mind anything is possible.

The "old" OKC Ford Center was opened in 2002. The old Seattle Arena was opened in 1962. Not nearly the same comparison. I'm sure the NBA would like a Seattle team. But can it live without one for a long time? It's already being proven. The Sonics doomsayers' predictions haven't materialized. OKC is just fine. The NBA never really talks about for another round of expansion considering the last round led to an unintended reshuffling of the deck. Is a 32 team league a nice goal for symmetry? Sure. Does it need to dilute the product any further? Probably not.

The NHL ignoring Quebec City is when I got turned off by the league. Seattle? Las Vegas? Meh. Ignoring Quebec is about as bad an idea as putting an NBA team in Vancouver. The NHL is down with this idea. The NBA won't open a new franchise in a revamped old arena. Considering how successful the Thunder have been along with rising national TV ratings the league survives just fine without Seattle. The only way the Sonics come back is by moving an existing franchise which doesn't seem likely in the near future.

There already is a better and much cleaner way but it needs more investment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevator

Nobody has forgotten about the Cuyahoga. Everyone knows the city plans it as the primary walkable waterfront area. It's the lakefront which is forgotten at times and it's also the subject of this thread.

I started thinking about this. What cities don't feature their waterfront? Detroit? Philly? Buffalo? The list is pretty small even for cold weather cities. Or are we counting cities in Russia? Hell, even St. Pete has a nice waterfront. Baltimore is building 30-story apartment buildings on it's waterfront while the city of Cleveland plans an outlet mall. I think there are reasons for concern.

It's astounding how bad the city manages the lakefront. It literally blows my mind. At what point is it seen as an asset? Some actually want Burke to be handed over to the city as well? Keep it an airport.

#BuyLocal I know, but people on here used to cry about us not having enough chains downtown. Well here you go, Dunkin opens second downtown store and Dominos pops up out of nowhere within weeks of each other! All the East Coast urban centers have plenty of chains. What's the big deal? My local independently owned Chinese place has a much worse health inspection record than the local Panda Express. "Buy local" isn't always what it's cracked up to be.

Couple of Terry Pluto like thoughts: -- Rainbow colors lighten up a rather drab January scene. -- Still it looks like a billboard. -- Not quite sure what moral stance there is to be had here. Considering PS was redesigned as an "upgrade" partly to remove the poorest citizens from a public square, maybe we should start there first. It seems like the poorest have no spokespeople. -- This artist likely has never made really difficult decisions as old Ben Franklin did in his day, so it's easy to second guess.

Needs a development plan first. This administration seems to like outlet malls along current lakefront property. Rather keep it an airport if there’s no vision tbh.

What do you mean by length of time thing? this has been going on since the early 90s. People were protesting the Tribe and Atlanta Braves when they played in the World Series together. In the early 90s there were a bunch of colleges that changed their nicknames for the same reason. Remember when Miami was Redskin country. St. Johns had the Redmen, and Marquette was the Warriors (which I think they should have kept the name and just changed the mascot). This issue is nothing new. It seemed to start with the 1995 World Series when some "activists" saw an opportunity for attention. The movie "Major League" garnered zero protest. This is an issue going back at least 50 years; teams have been changing their names and mascots and Indian-related themes for that long. It's not new, and it's not going away. The question I have yet to hear a satisfactory answer for - why are Indians the subject of so many mascots and caricatures? If teams were equally engaging of racist caricatures, then why don't we have more "Cleveland Niggers" or "Cleveland Honkies", "Cleveland Heebs" or "Cleveland Chinks"? Why were Native Americans singled out - all of over the US - to be the subject of this? Many people seem to think that at one time is was just fine to have racist mascots because "no one cared", but that really can't be the case if we don't have nearly as many teams representing present-day Whites, Blacks, Hispanics, or others. What is it about Native Americans that lends itself to this? Why was this ever acceptable? Why are you trying to be so judgmental of people 75 years ago? If I had a choice between Chief Wahoo or many Millenials current attitude of second guessing WWII as a mistake because America should not have "taken care of it's own first", I'd take Chief Wahoo. Rather having living Jews vs. a patch that can be removed. Nothing has really changed, it's a bit if an illusion on your part. People will ask the same questions of this generation 75 years from now. Plenty of current examples: How about Flat Earth idiots? Or anti-vax morons? Or just "taking care of our own" as an excuse to ignore everything currently going on in the world? Just, ugh. Let it be.

From a national media perspective this gets the heat off of ownership and the fanbase. Now the focus will be on Danny Snyder's continued resistance (along with many long-time DC fans) to change anything Redskins which has been played alongside Chief Wahoo. I don't see how this is bad news for Cleveland. The Indians name change is coming but probably not for another decade.

The other logistical issue is weather. North American winters are quite harsh compared to Europe. There would be a lot of cancelled games due to snow/cold unless northern teams played indoors.

I think this is very optimistic. TV ratings have been mostly flat since the last contract and they are tiny. NBCSN is getting higher ratings for the Premier League regularly on weekend mornings. You have to deliver eyeballs to advertisers to get that larger sum of cash. I agree the new deal will be larger but not large enough to boost revenue per team if it keeps expanding. Also, the NBA is a problem for MLS. It's more popular in the US, it is the "premier league" of basketball, it's growing just as fast but not expanding and is eating away at the US TV revenue that the MLS could get. I'm not against the MLS, I just don't get why they think they need to be the #1 league if that's the plan. I don't think it'll work.

All Chief Wahoo stuff is a collectors item now. Not complaining.

Just did a Wiki search and saw that MLS is the 17th largest worldwide league by revenue per team at 34.6 million Euro. It's not even remotely close to the NHL, let alone the bigger North American leagues and the Premier. It's just above the 2nd tier Championship league in England. It had 22 teams when the stat was put up but if this average continues there are no 30 team leagues which have so little revenue per team. Expansion will create more overall revenue but at some point these teams need to generate more money to have a shot at paying the bigger stars that are over in Europe. It's never going to be taken seriously internationally or get serious TV $$ until then. Are we sure the end game is the Premier League? I would think it would make more sense to market it as an alternative in some way instead of praying that each team will generate 20 times the revenue they have now by 2040.

Is MLS sitting on the Cincy bid to see what happens with Columbus? TBH, this league feels like it has too many teams now. I know attendance has been OK but how are they going to truly compete with the Euro Leagues when TV revenue is miniscule and would be divided among 30 teams. I have a lot of soccer crazy friends from other countries and most don't even see the MLS even along the lines of AAA baseball. They don't watch it at all. What's the end game here? Are they trying to compete with something like the Premier League?

Promotion/Relegation would be horrific for FBS teams. These are universities and their budgets are partly based on certain revenue expectations from their sports..cough..football programs. If a big football school got demoted it wouldn't just hurt an owner like in the Premier League it could hurt research funding at that university. I don't get what's wrong with FBS. Sure the MAC can lose some lopsided games but some classics like App St/Michigan are always in the offing.

I know it's not an IKEA but arts-and-crafts chain AC Moore is expanding outside of the East Coast and opening it's first Ohio store in Parma: A.C. Moore Announces First Ohio Store at The Shoppes at Parma https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20180118006288/en/A.C.-Moore-Announces-Ohio-Store-Shoppes-Parma

All people from the Amrap area say cot and caught the same way. When I moved to No. Va. I did notice that people here drag the au sound in caught more. My wife grew up in DC and she says crayon like crown. Always tease her about that. Not sure where that comes from.

This is the plan I was referring to. Put Horizon Group Properties in a room with Dan Gilbert and let them figure this thing out for Tower City, not on the Lakefront.... Judging by the current state of downtown retail, we don't need to build more of it. But if Horizon wants to purchase and re-lease the Galleria, they should definitely have at. Horizon's lakefront site hasn't been removed from their website. I assume the project is still going forward at some point. If it gets built I would think it kills any likelihood that TC becomes an outlet center.

There's some truth to this... it mostly lies with the fact that the auto infrastructure is built around "everyone" driving. This makes it difficult for autonomous cars to predict bad drivers doing stupid things. As non-autonomous traffic is phased out and infrastructure is geared more toward autonomous vehicles, making reliable autonomous travel would be much easier. I'm not arguing your point it's just the idea that "there's not much to do between takeoff and landing" isn't entirely true either. Weather is constantly in flux and as long as almighty climatologists and ordinary meteorologists can't figure out problems like clear air turbulence there's a level of complexity to in-flight cruise autopilot systems before we can move to pilotless flying. Mother Nature is the "bad driver".

I thought Clevelanders were defensive! Wow. About five years ago Mike Trivisonno called in a few times to Cincinnati radio and declared it a "hillbilly town". At my cousin's wedding in April I should take some recording equipment, capture some voice samples, and report back here. These northeast accents are still going strong in Cincinnati, just not at McDonald's and Wal-Mart. Jesus, if you're going to base Clevelanders on Mike Trivisonno..God help you! That guy has had mental issues for decades.