Deech

To bad that guy didn't know how to make nice looking building, then we wouldn't be having these debates!

RTA = Thumbs down!

I like the idea of putting it in a landfill! Maybe even use it to make another break wall in the lake! Well hey, at least they didn't build the twin of this building that they were planning to build, then we would be stuck with two ugly dogs! They probably didn't build the twin because they seen what the first one looked like! At least you can get rid of an ugly dog pretty easy, but that's not the case with a building....

I hope that building gets torn down, it is so ugly!

Knowing Cleveland it would take 10 or more years to get anything done!

Talking to RTA I think is a waste, I would talk to Norfolk Southern Corp to see if they would want to take control of the commuter rail line. Maybe even ask Richard Branson to buy the rights and make it part of his Virgin train lines. There are other options out there the city just needs to look and not waste there time with RTA, some cities even have their port authorities controlling rail lines! Cleveland, maybe that would be a good idea….? Sorry but I’m just not a fan of RTA, its seems like the RTA buses I have rode on have all been dirty and junkie. Maybe its because I’m use to the Lake Tran or Lake Tram buses or what ever they are called. They always seem to be in nicer shape and cleaner. They also seem to have a lot of clean airbuses, good thing! I do like the rapid transit but I really wanted to see the loop around the city built but I think that idea is dead.

I'm not 100% sure but I think so.

Thanks for the reply about Michigan Central Station. I’m still going to keep hoping that something good will get done with the building. It’s a beautiful Structure with a lot of history. Detroit should get ideas and learn from the people who restored the train station in Cincinnati!! Here is a little info on Cincinnati Union Terminal hope you like it! Cincinnati's magnificent art deco style railroad terminal building, now the home of Cincinnati Museum Center, was dedicated on March 31, 1933. Union Terminal was first proposed in the early part of the 20th century as a solution to the chaotic existing railroad system, which consisted of seven lines operating out of five stations. Initial planning began in the early 1900s, but floods, inter-railroad squabbling and World War I delayed the plan until the late 1920s. The construction of Union Terminal was a cooperative project of seven railroad companies that served the city from five different terminals. Union Terminal centralized the freight and passenger operations of the Big Four (later the New York Central), Pennsylvania, Chesapeake & Ohio, Norfolk & Western, Southern, Louisville & Nashville, and the Baltimore & Ohio railroads. New York architects Alfred Fellheimer and Steward Wagner, recognized leaders in the planning of urban railway stations, were hired to design the Union Terminal building. Their first designs were classical until 1930 when Paul Phillipe Cret, a friend of Steward Wagner, was engaged as a consultant in 1930 and influenced the art deco style of the building. Construction began in August 1929 and was completed March 31, 1933. Cincinnati Union Terminal stands on a prominent location one mile northwest of the center of the city on land that once was Lincoln Park. Visitors approach the massive 10-story, arched, limestone and glass east facade of the building from Western Avenue and Ezzard Charles Drive through a quarter-mile plaza. The building is flanked on either side by curving wings. An illuminated fountain, cascade and pool are in the center foreground. On either side of the main doors, bas-relief figures designed by Maxfield Keck symbolize Commerce and Transportation. During World War II, Cincinnati Union Terminal experienced unprecedented success. As a major transfer point for soldiers, the station served as many as 34,000 passengers on some days. But in the 1950s, the sudden expansion of interstates and airlines led to the rapid decline of the railroad industry. By the early 1970s, only two trains a day passed through Union Terminal and in 1972, train service was halted completely. In 1975, the City of Cincinnati bought the terminal and ran advertisements in the Wall Street Journal, which read, "World-famous Cincinnati Union Terminal for lease—$1 per year." In 1980, a Columbus developer converted the terminal into a shopping mall. The recession of the early 1980s caused the project to fail. During the mid-1980s, the administrators of the Cincinnati Museum of Natural History and the Cincinnati Historical Society developed plans for a joint museum project. The spaciousness of Union Terminal, coupled with its history and design, made it the top choice as a location for the project. In 1986, Hamilton county voters approved a $33 million bond issue for the restoration of the terminal. The State of Ohio and the City of Cincinnati also contributed to the restoration with grants of $8 million and $3 million, respectively. In one of the city's most successful capital campaigns ever undertaken for a Cincinnati cultural organization, more than 3,000 Cincinnati individuals, corporations and foundations contributed to the building's renovation. In November 1990, Cincinnati Union Terminal reopened as Museum Center, an educational and cultural complex featuring the Cincinnati Museum of Natural History, the Cincinnati Historical Society Museum and Library and the Robert D. Lindner Family OMNIMAX ® Theater. On July 29, 1991, train service was officially restored to the terminal. The success of the Union Terminal renovation made it possible for Amtrak to schedule a Cincinnati stop on its Chicago-bound route from Washington, D.C. The Cincinnati History Museum, Cincinnati Historical Society Library, the Museum of Natural History & Science and the Robert D. Lindner Family OMNIMAX Theater merged operations in January 1995 as Cincinnati Museum Center, and welcomed the Children's Museum of Cincinnati in July 1997. The Duke Energy Children's Museum at Museum Center opened as the Cinergy Children's Museum in October 1998. Since its opening in 1990, Cincinnati Museum Center at Union Terminal has attracted more than one million visitors each year. · Union Terminal cost $41 million , including purchase of ground and readjusting railroad facilities. (most expensive train station ever built) · Union Terminal takes up an area of 287 acres with 94 miles of track laid. · 22 distinct buildings were constructed including 224,534 cubic yards of concrete poured, not including 100,500 square yards of paving, 8,250,000 bricks and 45,421 net tons of steel used in bridge and building construction. · The Cincinnati Union Terminal Company, the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad, and the City of Cincinnati built the Western Hills Viaduct for a cost of $3.5 million. The viaduct is 3,500 feet long—2,800 feet of double-deck construction. · The Rotunda interior dome spans 180 feet, with a clear height of 106 feet. (largest free-standing half dome in the world) · The station could accommodate 17,000 passengers and 216 trains—108 in and 108 out—daily · The last passenger train left Union Terminal Saturday evening, October 28, 1972. Passenger service resumed when Amtrak began operating at Union Terminal on July 29, 1991. Detroit get some ideas……!

Will Michigan Central Station ever get renovated? Michigan Central Station is a great building I hate to see it sit there abandon and fall towards disrepair!

Who needs RTA to run the trains anyway, get a different company!

Yeah who cares what Joe C. thinks!

Things would move along so much faster if people would stop bi**hing about train noise, horns ect.! Why the hell would someone buy a house next to the tracks and then think its ok to go and complain about the noise the trains make! Wake up, the train tracks were there first not your house, so DEAL with it!

I just ate at Cooperstown on Fri at about 9 pm. It was dead inside, so I had some time to talk to the waitress and she told me that yes it is changing to a different restaurant. Cooperstown is dropping out because they are not getting enough business. She said we were the only customers she had since 3:00! I was told that someone bought the place and will be changing it. What’s new another good place closing in Cleveland!

I just heard some talk of the old Ho Jo getting fixed up, anyone have any more info?

Thanks!

So what are they doing to the May Co building?

Residents that complain about noise from living next to railroad tracks have to wake up! Common sense, they bought the house next to the tracks! The trains didn't move in behind them. When someone buys a house next to train tracks what do they expect? Peace and quite? That makes me so mad! Leave the train company alone and pack your bags and move out! (So someone else can move in and continue to bi**ch) The tracks and trains were there FIRST! Not you or maybe not even the house! SO NEXT TIME SOMEONE BUYS A HOUSE LOOK IN THE BACK YARD FIRST AND IF THERE ARE TRAIN TRACKS DON"T BUY THE DA**N PLACE!!

Is there any update on the residential tower being built on top?

This is what I read: Bye, Bye signature bridge? The Ohio Department of Transportation has chosen expediency over inspiration. Rather than work harder to find a way to build a signature bridge as suggested by Cuyahoga County planner Paul Alsenas, it appears that our children's children will be living with the same plebian Innerbelt Bridge that we have now. Unfortunately, most elected officials are unwilling to pursue the matter further. Even the concerns of Midtown and Quadrangle businesses and retailers are being sacrificed to the streamlining of Downtown Cleveland exit ramps on the new Innerbelt. Great for passing through Cleveland at 65 miles an hour; not so great for getting on and off in the city. Still left to discuss: the significant property takings that ODOT has planned: 29 parcels in all. Check http://www.NeoBridge.net for a for an intelligent discussion on this issue. Watch this space for more reaction. See story here, send your comments to ODOT director Gordon Proctor here: [email protected], and Cc: us here: [email protected] .

I know what bridge they are talking about, i was just making a joke out of what wimwar respounding to my question. I asked about the type of bridge because i read something that the grand bridge that Cleveland wants get got turned down.

An innerbelt bridge, you got to be kidding me, I would have never thought that!Thanks for the info wimwar your a big help!!

So what type of bridge is going to be built?

Does anyone know if the Flats East Bank Neighborhood project will call for any of the old bridges, train, car ect. to be torn down? I hope not there is alot of history there. That also makes the river look pretty cool! Thanks

What happened to the front of this 668 building,? It looks like s**t. It looks like the front of it just fell off, all that metal and broken brick exposed.

What type of bridge are they going to build?