Matthew67

Ok but again, do we really need it? People b*tch and moan all the time about how much Nationwide is costing taxpayers, imagine what that would be with a billion dollar rail project. Personally myself and my friends all 28-35 would rather have the rail connection to Chicago versus a trail in town. We have uber and lyft and the COTA circulator; personally I'm good! Who's "we"? I-270 cost billions. Do we need it? It doesn't produce a penny in income. Personally, I don't care about others' individual happiness. Actually I-270=commerce=income for our economy, so WRONG! What is "our" economy? If you think 1-270 is so great why won't you pay for it? It doesn't produce a penny in income. Not one penny. It's money loser.

Ok but again, do we really need it? People b*tch and moan all the time about how much Nationwide is costing taxpayers, imagine what that would be with a billion dollar rail project. Personally myself and my friends all 28-35 would rather have the rail connection to Chicago versus a trail in town. We have uber and lyft and the COTA circulator; personally I'm good! Who's "we"? I-270 cost billions. Do we need it? It doesn't produce a penny in income. Personally, I don't care about others' individual happiness.

Much of downtown Columbus is still parking lots. It will only be built on when non-car transportation options exist to support denser development.

What else do you know about the future?

Exactly. When you have to pay to use I-275, we can begin to question the costs of other forms of transportation. I-275 has never produced a penny in income. How can we know if it's 'paid for itself.' I'm almost sure it hasn't.

At last, a substantive contribution to the discussion. What is your economic interest in this system? Who pays you and for what? Of course, those who's jobs depend on the administration of housing subsidies in OTR don't want the system they've created and learned how to operate to end. Of course, they want their 'poverty industry' relationships to continue. The tenants fear that they can't recreate the system of charity and barter among fellow poor people that they've created for themselves in OTR in another place. They're probably right. They know that they'll end up in a worse location than an OTR with falling crime, increasing social order, and improving public services. The irony is that those things are improving BECAUSE the poor are being "relocated." The housing agencies fear that they won't find other housing to administer in other neighborhoods and that threatens their agencies budgets and even their jobs. The building owners fear being demonized by the media, politicians, and the poverty industry for trying to maximize the value of their property. They might even fear reprisals from the dealers who fear losing a place to do their business. Rising rents are sign that the forces that organize the rest of American society are increasingly at work in OTR, too. All americans face "relocation" for economic reasons. That's the way America works. Why should OTR be a special case?

Really? I'm not a subscriber to FT. It just showed up in a search. How odd.

Can people not read the article itself here?

It's about Columbus' political response to the economic changes of the last decade. You can't get more high profile and have better access to business movers and shakers than the Financial Times.

This is a major media win for Columbus! The FT is a globally important publication. Columbus really is separating itself from its regional competition. https://www.ft.com/content/3205ef22-334e-11e8-b5bf-23cb17fd1498.

1400 Sycamore, I understand that your interests are threatened by my comments. Telling me to shut up and go away ( I live in OTR) doesn't make my comments untrue.

The topic is perceptions of OTR, not HUD, CMHA, or any other "technical" questions. I know my comments threaten your claims to special status in OTR and your sources of income, but that's your problem, not mine.

We shouldn't overstate this. https://www.citylab.com/life/2018/03/the-extreme-geographic-inequality-of-high-tech-venture-capital/552026/. What's happening in "the rest" are very modest beginnings.

You talk about these people as if they're refugees or children of whom you have custody. They aren't 'relocating' them. They aren't yours. You benefit from having OTR has a containment facility for them in which you can control them and get your cut of public housing subsidies. You're part of the 'poverty industry' that is holding back OTR.

If you're not interested in being understood, why do you participate in this forum?

I own and manage a building of four apartments in Cincinnati. I am under no obligation to find housing for my tenants after they leave my building. I really have no idea what you're talking about.

"relocate"? Do you run a witness protection program? They want to be OTR because that's where they can get the handouts they need. If those handouts weren't in OTR, THEY wouldn't be in OTR. So you admit that there's an "up".

So, some places are "better" than others..... I think you mean well, but you views are misguided. Keeping poor people in OTR IS "continued economic suppression." They don't want to be in OTR. They are here because that's the only place that social service agencies can serve them because of the politics of charity in Cincinnati. You have chosen to live in a place that is "promoting a skewed playing field" against the poor. I know your area well. The violence and chaos of OTR simply does not exist in your area. You don't "share where you live" with dealers, thugs, and the mentally ill and addicted as I do. You are responsible for that choice as much I am for my choice to live in OTR. The way to improve the odds that all people have the opportunity to afford rent, food, and medical care is to provide them the choices of WHERE to obtain these things, like everyone else. The poor need a way into the society the rest of us live in, not a containment area where they are lured with handouts as is currently the situation in OTR. Come to OTR and see for yourself. Otherwise you come across as sanctimonious.

Yes, poor people shouldn't be contained in OTR They should be free to choose where they live like everyone else. West Dayton sounds great. I'll tell everyone in OTR all about it. You might come to OTR yourself and spread the word about West Dayton and invite people from OTR to come there! I hope SWOH tells us where he lives so I can spread the word about his wonderful neighborhood to everyone in OTR.

"The belief that we can put a magical lasso around all the poor people and keep them in a small urban box" is what created this concentration of the poor in OTR in the first place. SWOH should work against this "suppression" of the poor by inviting them to his neighborhood to share its "resources" with them. To do otherwise would be hypocritical.

I didn't say anything about economic growth. You said it was overrated. Don't be disingenuous. I said growth. It was in response to your claim about Columbus and Austin. Both of which have been in the news repeatedly for population growth. i honestly don't understand what you mean.

I didn't say anything about economic growth. You said it was overrated.

Butler County is the source of the credits. Butler County is forgoing tax income and payed for public infrastructure for the liberty square, even the parking garages. They'll never break even on it.

OTR always had those things. Why did the "corporate sector" suddenly value those things when they hadn't before? The use of credits in OTR was a response to the use of credits by suburban governments before that. Suburbia started the credits game. Since then, suburbia has needed MORE AND MORE credits to keep functioning, not less. You're asking OTR to do what suburbia has never done...pay for itself. 3cdc seems the only explanation. Only an organization committed to OTR as a place could do it. Should all Cincinnati neighborhoods have development corporations? Could it be a model for Butler County instead of handing out money ad hoc as they've done?

So people are willing to pay MORE to be in OTR than to be in Butler County. I wonder why. If OTR is "extremely high cost" why has anyone invested anything in OTR at all? The cost of parking and new roads and sewers would have to be included in those calculations to make a more valid comparison, as well. Money isn't being invested in OTR because other places are literally paying investors to invest there instead. It's Butler County that needs learn how to live with "less and less gov help." If Butler County can't figure out how to get investment without throwing credits and free stuff at investors, then IT'S the one with the problem. OTR can remove the 'costs' of crime and poverty and shift the calculations decisively.