DEPACincy

CDPs were created exclusively for statistical compilation and comparison. Not all areas are part of an incorporated place. As mentioned by the other poster, not all states even have townships. And even in states that do have townships, sometimes historically established communities cross township lines, or a township has multiple distinct "places" that residents have always identified with separately. So like in the Cincinnati burbs you might know the place you live as Dent or Monfort Heights, even though you live in Green Township, so the Census wants to collect data on those places and not just on the township. On the Kentucky side, there are no townships. There are cities, and if you don't live in one, then the county provides all of your services. Burlington, the county seat of Boone County, is not actually incorporated, so to get statistical information about Burlington, the Census has to create a boundary. Likewise, Silver Spring, Maryland, in the DC burbs, has 81,000 people but it has not ever actually been incorporated. Residents know their community as Silver Spring, but services are all provided by the county and it isn't clear where Silver Spring actually ends. So the Census has tried to create a boundary that represents consensus and then reports data for that boundary. There boundaries, again, or just for statistical counting and reporting. One final example would be Ardmore, PA, in the Philly burbs. Ardmore was a community created by the Pennsylvania Railroad. Today, residents will say they live in Ardmore, but it actually straddles two townships (Lower Merion and Haverford) in two different counties (Montgomery and Delaware). Your local government is provided by the township and the county, but residents know Ardmore as one community--so the Census wants to be able to report statistical information about Ardmore, as well as the two townships.

Not according to the old Census books I have.

Kind of, yes. They were, and are, a part of the same Combined Statistical Area, which is a group of adjacent metro areas that have high levels of interaction. They are all a part of the Cleveland-Akron-Canton CSA. CBSAs are just an inclusive term to cover both Metropolitan and Micropolitan Statistical Areas.

Cleveland and Akron were never combined. They have always been distinct metro areas. Lorain-Elyria used to be its own separate metro area too. Cleveland metro area used to be just Cuyahoga and Lake Counties.

It's not just about population. There's a standard definition and they use it across the country and it takes into account the population size and number of workers. It would appear, based on the revised 2020 definition, that Elyria will be dropped off the name when they revise the MSA definitions in, I believe, 2023: The largest incorporated place with a 2020 Census population of at least 10,000 in the CBSA or, if no incorporated place of at least 10,000 population is present in the CBSA, the largest incorporated place or census designated place in the CBSA; and (b) Any additional incorporated place or census designated place with a 2020 Census population of at least 250,000 or in which 100,000 or more persons work; and (c) Any additional incorporated place or census designated place with a 2020 Census population of at least 50,000, but less than 250,000, and in which the number of workers working in the place meets or exceeds the number of workers living in the place; and (d) Any additional incorporated place or census designated place with a 2020 Census population of at least 10,000, but less than 50,000, and at least one-third the population size of the largest place, and in which the number of workers working in the place meets or exceeds the number of workers living in the place. I don't know if any other places in the MSA will meet these criteria but I suspect not.

The board is definitely tilted toward suburban interests. But I think that the mayor of Cincinnati has a lot of soft power in these kinds of situations. If he came out forcefully for it, along with folks at SORTA/TANK, CVG, and the business community--then I think that the suburban elected officials would jump on board. And, as others have pointed out, the city could go it alone. So a mayor and council that are pro-light rail could get a system started. Maybe they even get Covington and Newport on board with the idea. Once there's a trunk, I think the suburban folks will jump at the idea of getting their communities connected.

I don't know. I'm just saying I don't think the comments were that revealing. We all know that current elected officials have no interest in light rail and we knew that before that interview. Could a Mayor Pureval push for it? I could see that happening. If that happened, I think we'll be having a different conversation. I think folks at CVG would like to have a line connecting the airport with downtown. If Aftab and Candace McGraw got together with the business community and went around the region selling the benefits to people in Blue Ash, Mason, West Chester, Clermont County, etc. then it could happen.

The OKI board is made up of local elected officials and folks from SORTA, TANK, CVG, etc. If the new mayor/council, the heads of SORTA and TANK, and the CEO of CVG came out in favor of light rail that would be a game changer.

Notably, an extension to Newport is in the OKI long range plan. Also, interesting theory on Policinski. Do you have inside info? What position would he even run for?

Oh yes. I should've clarified "inspired" by Commonwealth while avoiding some of its mistakes.

Yep... Or even like this...

Yep. I think it'll be tough to activate it in the short term but I expect that 10 years from now Central Parkway will have a lot more devleopment.

Incremental change. There are council members (and candidates that are likely to be elected) who support this and also want to eliminate parking requirements and reduce or eliminate setback requirements and height limits. But making changes in succession will likely generate less blowback than if you wrapped everything into one big ordinance.

Something like Commonwealth Avenue in Boston is what is needed. Large greenspace with pedestrian path and park down the middle. $20 million actually seems like a very reasonable price tag considering they are redesigning the stretch completely.

There's a very specific definition they use across the country to be included as a named city. They don't make exceptions. That definition changed slightly in 2013 and named were updated accordingly. Cincinnati used to be Cincinnati-Middletown.

Whatever they are building there now can be seen from the cut in the hill and also from Winton Road heading south. It's quite large. I thought it was the tower?

I think any of the following could sneak in in those bottom spots: Frondorf Castle Flynn Johnson O'Neal Owens Frondorf is well-known on the west side, and she could get enough support there to push her over the top. Castle has name recognition from her Congressional run. Flynn has name recognition as a former councilperson and a well-funded campaign. And the other three benefit from being on the Democratic slate card.

On the other hand, it seems like the slate card is becoming more and more influential. So who knows? My prediction is, in order of votes: Kearney Landsman Harris Jeffreys Cramerding Goodin Keating Gordon Parks

I personally like them both.

Didn't know city chicken was a Cleveland thing. I always associated it with Pittsburgh.

Many families have three or four wage earners? What year is this? The average household size in Hamilton County is like 2.1 people and shrinking.

There was plenty more parking available nearby 20 years ago when the market was struggling to survive. Now it has 1.2 million visitors per year. The tradeoff also isn't 100 households vs. 100-200 customers daily. The vast majority of the parking spots in those lots sit empty five days per week. I was at Findlay Market yesterday and it was a ghost town. So you're trading parking spots that get utilized a few hours per week for families that will patronize the market potentially multiple times per week. The folks in the burbs who complain about parking aren't going to Findlay Market anyway. They're happy to go to their suburban Kroger. If you're the type to frequent Findlay Market you aren't going to be upset that you have to walk an extra half block on busy Saturdays because there isn't available parking right next to the market.

I always take the bus to FC Cincinnati games and it works great. Our public transportation system actually works really well at getting people from outlying areas to Downtown/OTR. Plus, the idea that it is parking that spurs development and growth in urban neighborhoods is completely at odds with actual data and evidence. That's a hugely outdated and debunked mindset.

Here's the key part. It would be highly unlikely that the developments would include no parking. Besides, parking isn't really an issue at Findlay Market. When I drive there I never park in their lots. There's ample free street parking within a couple blocks in multiple directions.

It's worlds better than the current map, which is exactly why it has zero chance of actually being accepted.