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It depends where you live. During this ordeal I've gotten to know my neighbors way better. And there's been plenty of socializing with the folks on our block. If you live in a sprawling suburb or rural area that would've been impossible. But in the city, we haven't been isolated at all.

Lol they are against a three story building in a neighborhood with many taller buildings.... Because of height? Can't make this stuff up.

Creative accounting

Lies, damned lies, and statistics. Just kidding, kind of. The USPS data is notorious for being incomplete. I wouldn't put too much stock into it. I think there has also been a lot of other data analysis showing that a lot of students and young people relocated from big cities to parents/family/friends houses, primarily in the burbs. And that older folks with vacation homes relocated there while they could work from home. That will obviously reverse itself as things go back to normal. Anecdotally, I have multiple friends who left Manhattan, Philly, and Boston to stay with parents or other family members while they were quarantining/working remotely. But most of them have moved back to the city now so they'll show up in the data as moving into the city this year. My in-laws also relocated from their suburban DC home to their vacation home, but they intend to go back to their suburban home when they have to return to the office.

It's pretty hilarious to see someone go on the internet and lament how people don't understand CRT and then completely mischaracterize what CRT is. Some real hubris on display.

Late to this, but they won't have to worry about cicadas in this location. They emerge from beneath mature hardwoods and they don't travel very far. So you likely won't encounter any on this block.

They should care though. That area is kind of the front door to the city and it is abysmal for pedestrians. They should take note of Philly's Rittenhouse Square neighborhood, which is full of high end hotels and is one of the most pleasant areas to walk around in any city in the US. This is partly because the hotels do a good job integrating into the streetscape.

We care a lot about height, but I'm not so sure that the people building the hotel will. They'll probably care more about cost.

Yea, I was just providing clarification. Also, this release revises past year estimates to make them more accurate. And the 2020 number will be revised in the future as well. I looked at the counties around Cincinnati and the 2019 number for each of them has now been revised upward. So Hamilton County showed a small loss between 2019 and 2020, but that's because they revised the 2019 number upwards. Using last year's 2019 estimate Hamilton County still grew. It can get a little confusing.

It's not official vs. unofficial. It's just a different program. These are the annual population estimates, which is different from the decennial Census. They are produced every year using births, deaths, and migration factored from the last decennial Census. Since the 2020 decennial numbers aren't available yet these are still using the 2010 base year. They're not that useful this year for most people since we have decennial Census numbers coming soon, but they still produce them, just like they produced them in 2019 and they'll produce them in 2021. For those of us that use this data, sometimes you can't compare the decennial numbers to the intercensal numbers so it's helpful to have access to this dataset still.

People already shared good pics, but this is such a weird question to me. We agreed that the future is unknowable, but based on what we do know, a new trend toward fringe greenfield development being more desirable is very unlikely. There are fewer and fewer fringe greenfield areas left in the metro and, at a certain point, people are unwilling to commute long distances, so fringe areas become less desirable anyway. Plus, we know that as metro areas densify, people place an even higher premium on central location and dense urban neighborhoods. That's not a new development. That's been happening for a long time and is consistent across the world. So I guess it is within the realm of possibilities that people will en masse decide they want big boxes on big lots and hate the city again. But it doesn't seem particularly likely. So if I was a betting man I'd say Cbus will hit the million mark and keep going.

Not attacking you. You're sharing your opinion and I'm sharing why I think it's wrong. No biggie. The Clintonville NIMBYs will be irrelevant in a few years for a number of reasons. First, there's a younger contingent moving in that wants more urban amenities. I know a few of these people that moved to Clintonville because Grandview or Short North/Victorian Village got too expensive. They'd like to see a lot more density. Second, there is a national movement for zoning reform to allow more density by-right and Columbus will definitely jump on board with that. That takes a lot of power away from NIMBYs. And you're right we don't know what the trends will be in 10 or 20 years and that's why it seems so silly to me to say that Columbus proper is built out. Nobody foresaw what the Short North has become. If people want to live in Cbus there's plenty of places for density to be added. Columbus city limits cover so much of the metro that if Cbus proper stops growing you'll likely see a halt to metro growth as well.

Nope. That's exactly what I meant. You just said it better.

Cbus is FAR from built out. Tons of underdeveloped and undeveloped parcels left. Here are two pics. One is the heart of the Clintonville business district. All low rise, auto-oriented commercial. In 10 years I guarantee it will be lined with mid-rise apartments over commercial. The other is just a random lot in Franklinton. But it's indicative of the kind of vacant lots that are located all over the city, ripe for development.

Yep. But every state had COVID so that's a caveat. With no COVID at all it's hard to say what the impact would've been.

Realistically, most of the extra 100k will be in the Columbus metro, with a few in the Cincy metro. But hopefully Cleveland gets in on the action too.

Yea, I think you're basically right here.

If you look at the Census migration numbers, more folks are moving into Hamilton County from Warren, Clermont, and Boone Counties now than the other way around. That represents a huge change from the past half century. Hamilton County still has a slight net negative to Campbell, Kenton, and Butler, but it's trending in Hamilton County's favor.

More facilities/infrastructure than is necessary for the number of kids they serve.

About 11,500 additional residents. We were very close.

I don't know but most of the funding would be federal anyway so I don't think it really matters much.

It's a combination of things. Chicago has seen a reverse great migration of black residents to southern metros like Atlanta. The burbs are seeing large numbers retiring to warm weather locales. And southern Illinois is seeing similar economic issues as places like West Virginia.

Folks in charge in Newport are interested in it. They made sure it was included in the latest OKI long range plan.

When do we get the Northside extension? And will it come through Camp Washington or Uptown? The people need to know!

The anti-gentrification crowd is nowhere to be found on these. You could've fit a couple dozen apartments on this site and they would've been infinitely more affordable. But they aren't actually worried about affordability.